balk

[Guest scott]

If a ball is pitched toward the plate but does not make it across the 1st or 3rd base line 

due to pitcher slipping in delivery. is there a point where the ball becomes dead?

i.e. a base runner attempts to steal while this occurs 

I would presume, that the ball is still live until time is called & the calling of the balk is inconsequential 

same as any other type of balk. ball is alive until time is called after by either team 

 

is that correct?

[Jimurray]

20 minutes ago, Guest scott said:

If a ball is pitched toward the plate but does not make it across the 1st or 3rd base line 

due to pitcher slipping in delivery. is there a point where the ball becomes dead?

i.e. a base runner attempts to steal while this occurs 

I would presume, that the ball is still live until time is called & the calling of the balk is inconsequential 

same as any other type of balk. ball is alive until time is called after by either team 

 

is that correct?

I think I would call time using the same criteria they use for a wild pitch or pickoff. Fielder in possession of the ball in the infield and no runners advancing. 

[Senor Azul]

OBR 6.02(b) (8.01(d)) Illegal Pitches With Bases Unoccupied

If the pitcher makes an illegal pitch with the bases unoccupied, it shall be called a ball unless the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter or otherwise.

Rule 6.02(b) Comment (Rule 8.01(d ) Comment): A ball which slips out of a pitcher’s hand and crosses the foul line shall be called a ball; otherwise it will be called no pitch. This would be a balk with men on base.

From the 2013 Wendelstedt manual (p. 106):

“If the catcher or another fielder stops the ball that has slipped or dropped before it crosses either foul line, it is a balk unless the batter still had a reasonable chance to hit the pitch; in which case it would be catcher’s interference…”

[maven]

2 hours ago, Jimurray said:

I think I would call time using the same criteria they use for a wild pitch or pickoff. Fielder in possession of the ball in the infield and no runners advancing. 

That's how I would rule for OBR.

For FED, the ball is dead immediately when dropped, and the balk penalty enforced.

[Jimurray]

52 minutes ago, maven said:

That's how I would rule for OBR.

For FED, the ball is dead immediately when dropped, and the balk penalty enforced.

Wouldn't we have to wait to see if it crossed the foul line in FED.  But most of us expect a dropped ball to not cross the foul  line and we would not be quick enough to balk a lost grip pitch that might have an opportunity to cross the foul line until we realized where the ball stopped.

[Senor Azul]

From the 2015 NFHS Baseball Rules Book (p. 40):

Rule 6-1-4

Each legal pitch shall be declared by the umpire as a strike, ball, fair or foul hit or a dead ball. A pitch dropped during delivery and which crosses a foul line shall be called a ball. Otherwise, it will be called no pitch. A pitch dropped during delivery with at least one runner on base would be a balk if it does not cross a foul line.

[Gfoley4]

 this from 2015 seems to show that it's a dead ball and a balk under OBR... although isn't there a ruling where runners can advance at their own risk past once base? I guess that only applies on a pickoff throw?

[maven]

9 hours ago, Jimurray said:

Wouldn't we have to wait to see if it crossed the foul line in FED.

The OP doesn't have the pitch near the foul line. I'd rather kill it sooner and "undo" the balk if need be, than let the circus start and have to deal with that. Pick your poison.

[maven]

2 hours ago, Gfoley4 said:

 this from 2015 seems to show that it's a dead ball and a balk under OBR... although isn't there a ruling where runners can advance at their own risk past once base? I guess that only applies on a pickoff throw?

I wonder whether there was any followup on that play, which seems to have been ruled incorrectly. Yes, it was a balk, but Onora killed it prematurely. It should have been left live until possessed and the runners stopped.

Of course, once he kills it, it's like an inadvertent whistle: play's over. Given that he killed it, I agree with how they handled it.

[Jimurray]

3 hours ago, maven said:

I wonder whether there was any followup on that play, which seems to have been ruled incorrectly. Yes, it was a balk, but Onora killed it prematurely. It should have been left live until possessed and the runners stopped.

Of course, once he kills it, it's like an inadvertent whistle: play's over. Given that he killed it, I agree with how they handled it.

I didn't see anyone kill it. Onora pointed the balk once the ball stopped but that doesn't kill it. Big discussion on this in 2015 but no consensus as to when to kill a slipped pitch balk and MLB would never tell you the crew kicked it. 

[Catch18]

If he wasn’t killing it, and it’s allegedly still alive, I can’t say he looked real ready for play @ the plate. He killed the pitch, let’s be honest.


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[JaxRolo]

I agree with a balk on the play