Running requirements on game winning run...

[johnnyg08]

OBR.  Bases loaded, B9.  Game winning run on 3B.

A.  Less than two outs

B.  Two outs

Batter walks on ball 4 but does not touch first base, R1 does not touch 2B, R1 does not touch 3B, R3 touches home.

What are the base running requirements?  What, if any, are the appeal implications in A & B?  

Discuss and post relevant citations or interpretations.

[Stk004]

5 minutes ago, johnnyg08 said:

OBR.  Bases loaded, B9.  Game winning run on 3B.

A.  Less than two outs

B.  Two outs

Batter walks on ball 4 but does not touch first base, R1 does not touch 2B, R1 does not touch 3B, R3 touches home.

What are the base running requirements?  What, if any, are the appeal implications in A & B?  

Discuss and post relevant citations or interpretations.

On an award only the BR and the winning run (R3) are required to touch the next base. So with two outs if the defense successfully appeals to first base before the BR touches it, 3 outs next inning. With less than two outs as long as R3 touches home the game is over. 

[Jimurray]

2 minutes ago, Stk004 said:

On an award only the BR and the winning run (R3) are required to touch the next base. So with two outs if the defense successfully appeals to first base before the BR touches it, 3 outs next inning. With less than two outs as long as R3 touches home the game is over. 

Absent the crowd obstructing the runners, I think with two out the umpire will require the batter to touch 1B and if he refuses call the batter out and continue the game.

[Stk004]

19 minutes ago, Jimurray said:

Absent the crowd obstructing the runners, I think with two out the umpire will require the batter to touch 1B and if he refuses call the batter out and continue the game.

Isn't that the responsibility of the defense to know that the BR must touch 1B? 

[Stk004]

MLBUM p.51 

 

[Jimurray]

5.08

1 hour ago, Stk004 said:

Isn't that the responsibility of the defense to know that the BR must touch 1B? 

Not in that particular case:

(b) When the winning run is scored in the last half-inning of a regulation
game, or in the last half of an extra inning, as the result
of a base on balls, hit batter or any other play with the bases
full which forces the batter and all other runners to advance
without liability of being put out, the umpire shall not declare
the game ended until the runner forced to advance from third
has touched home base and the batter-runner has touched first
base.
Rule 5.08(b) Comment (Rule 4.09(b) Comment): An exception
will be if fans rush onto the field and physically prevent
the runner from touching home plate or the batter from touching
first base. In such cases, the umpires shall award the runner
the base because of the obstruction by the fans.
PENALTY: If the runner on third refuses to advance to
and touch home base in a reasonable time, the umpire
shall disallow the run, call out the offending player and
order the game resumed. If, with two out, the batter-runner
refuses to advance to and touch first base, the
umpire shall disallow the run, call out the offending
player, and order the game resumed. If, before two are
out, the batter-runner refuses to advance to and touch
first base, the run shall count, but the offending player
shall be called out.

[zoops]

What is meant by "refuses to advance?"  My weak grasp of English tells me this means you tell the runner he needs to touch the base but he refuses to do so.  But it seems like almost nothing in umpire mechanics tells us to instruct players to do something.  However, it seems as though if you wanted to indicate that the runner just doesn't make an attempt to touch the base, it would be worded "fails to advance."  Am I just overthinking?  

[noumpere]

1 hour ago, zoops said:

 Am I just overthinking?  

Yes.  Or maybe not.  In this instance, instruct.  It's the exception that proves the rule (about not instructing).