FED defensive conferences

[ricka56]

A NCAA thread had me thinking about a similar Fed possible sitch.

 

DHC comes to the mound, and swaps F1/F3 position. No charged conference. After one batter he  re-swaps F3/F1 back to their original positions (with or without a conference). No charged conference.

 

Can he do this every inning and not accumulate any charged conferences ? If not, why not.

[RingEmUp]

If they're walking to mound, they will be charged a conference.  If they want to do this without going to the mound, have at it as long as they aren't talking to the players more than saying "Johnny, David, switch it up!"  If the DHC is interupting the flow of the game by going out to the mound or just to the foul line I think a charged conference can be argued for, especially if they go to the foul line only.  I think the mound is an automatic conference outside of injury or translating why they balked.

[maven]

A NCAA thread had me thinking about a similar Fed possible sitch.

 

DHC comes to the mound, and swaps F1/F3 position. No charged conference. After one batter he  re-swaps F3/F1 back to their original positions (with or without a conference). No charged conference.

 

Can he do this every inning and not accumulate any charged conferences ? If not, why not.

 

He can do it every inning, provided that he complies with the restriction in 3-1-2: "A player may be removed as pitcher and returned as pitcher only once per inning, provided the return as pitcher does not violate either the pitching, substitution or charged conference rule."

 

 

If they're walking to mound, they will be charged a conference....I think the mound is an automatic conference outside of injury or translating why they balked.

 

If he changes pitchers, it's not a charged conference. 3-4-1 (last sentence)

[Thunderheads]

Hang on .... making a change is not a trip .....  maven beat me to it ............ typical

[noumpere]

It's apitching change.  Any time there's a change in FED, it's not a charged conference.

 

Until the visit prohibits it, the F1 can return (no books, but 3-1 lists the specific reasons F1 cannot return -- excess visits, reliever requires >8 pitches, player leaves game and cannot return)

[RingEmUp]

Yeah that was my initial reaction but then I went to the casebook and couldn't find anything to back me up.  I do think that if a coach is trying this BS every inning as a way to skirt the rule than there has to be something you can do to crush their dreams and hopes.  I view this as just trying to show up an umpire. 

[maven]

Yeah that was my initial reaction but then I went to the casebook and couldn't find anything to back me up.  I do think that if a coach is trying this BS every inning as a way to skirt the rule than there has to be something you can do to crush their dreams and hopes.  I view this as just trying to show up an umpire. 

 

1. You don't really have to worry about his situation, because none of us will ever see it.
2. Even if you did see it, the switch alone is not illegal. Don't try to make it illegal because you don't like it.
3. If hell froze and you did see it, and if you deem the coach's behavior unsporting, tell him to knock it off. Restrict and then eject for failing to comply. 3-3-1f
4. The real value of a play like this is to help folks learn the substitution, pitching, and charged conference rules a bit better for the situations that do actually arise.

[noumpere]

I view this as just trying to show up an umpire. 

How?

 

The only way it really matters is if it is a delay tactic  and it is getting dark.

 

If so, allow it and then write a report to the state and let them investigate.

[Majordave]

I view this as just trying to show up an umpire.

How?

The only way it really matters is if it is a delay tactic and it is getting dark.

If so, allow it and then write a report to the state and let them investigate.m

@noumoere

Ding, ding, ding.......We have a winner!

Seen it. Done it. Called coaches on it. Restricted for continuing to try it.

Can't blame them for trying when it's getting dark, no lights, current F1 is out of gas, no viable or effective replacement F1 available, winning this game matters and they are winning(barely) and trying to hang on. Been there. Done that.

[johnnyg08]

If what they are doing, even stalling is not prohibited by rule, it is not your job to be the moral police out there even if we all know that's what the coach is doing.  

 

It is not the job of the umpire to make sure nobody's feelings get hurt.  

 

If he's able to stall by making legal substitutions and trips to the mound we must allow it, even if it means that we have to suspend the game due to darkness, time, whatever.

[Rich Ives]

 

 

I view this as just trying to show up an umpire.

How?

The only way it really matters is if it is a delay tactic and it is getting dark.

If so, allow it and then write a report to the state and let them investigate. m

@noumoere

Ding, ding, ding.......We have a winner!

Seen it. Done it. Called coaches on it. Restricted for continuing to try it.

Can't blame them for trying when it's getting dark, no lights, current F1 is out of gas, no viable or effective replacement F1 available, winning this game matters and they are winning(barely) and trying to hang on. Been there. Done that.

 

 

That's going to look good on your report.  "I restricted the coach for making a legal substitution". Better say that because the coach's report is going to say "I was restricted for making a legal substitution".