Eject or Not Eject?

[aiber]

I make a terrible strike 2 call on a very low curve ball. The 3rd base coach calls time out and walks towards me and says, " I don't argue balls and strikes but your strike zone sucks tonight"...

Eject or Not Eject?

I said, "That's enough coach" and he walked away talking under his breath.

[blue23ll]

1) Coach doesn't call time out, he asks, and we grant it, IF its appropriate.

2) Granting a coach a time out so he can chew your ass isn't a good idea. 

3) He might ask, "where was that pitch?", once or twice, but he doesn't get to give his opinion on my strike zone.

4) If this was an assistant coach, he's gone. Head Coach, maybe he can stay, probably restricted to the bench?

[Tksjewelry]

I wouldn't have ejected in your situation but I wouldn't have granted him time either. Ejection, imo, should be a last resort. Using game and interpersonal management skills should be the first thing you use. I have a deaf, mute, blind switch I hit with problem coaches and it's worked pretty well. I do think there is a line that some can cross, but for me, it's way further out than some ejection happy guys I've seen.

[th3]

If its quiet and its the 1st ive heard i guess i dont eject...hard to know why he's calling time 

[UMP45]

I wouldn't have ejected in your situation but I wouldn't have granted him time either. Ejection, imo, should be a last resort. Using game and interpersonal management skills should be the first thing you use. I have a deaf, mute, blind switch I hit with problem coaches and it's worked pretty well. I do think there is a line that some can cross, but for me, it's way further out than some ejection happy guys I've seen.

Tk please be careful with this mindset. One reason there are problem coaches is they have been able to get away with things for to long.

[aiber]

If its quiet and its the 1st ive heard i guess i dont eject...hard to know why he's calling time

I thought that he was calling time to talk to his batter.

[Cav]

Was this an NFHS game?

 

If you thought he requested time to talk to his batter, did the batter go up the line to meet him or did the coach come all the way to the circle?   

[aiber]

Travel ball 12U.

[maven]

Travel ball: dump him on general principles.

 

HS is more complicated, bringing in my relationship with the coach (if any), his behavior earlier in the game, whether he's right, whether anyone else heard him, etc.

 

My possible responses include agreeing with him (if he's right), denying that missing one pitch means I have a bad zone (if he's wrong), or telling him that's enough and sending him back. Unless he's been a jackwagon all game, I don't see restricting him for this.

 

Since the comment does not violate the 3 P's, I would not support an ejection in HS for this.

[Cav]

Does one of the 3 P's not stand for "personal?"

[maven]

Does one of the 3 P's not stand for "personal?"

Yes, and his comment was not personal. It was about my strike zone today -- and maybe really about the bad call I just made -- not about me.

Personal is: "you suck." If you have to work harder than that to find it personal, then it isn't.

As ever, coach is entitled to his opinion.

maven

[blue23ll]

A coach is entitled to his opinion. He is not entitled to yell it across the diamond from a coaches box or the bench, this I shut down quickly. A quiet conversation between innings, that's pretty much okay, I would even probably tell him I thought the call sucked too. 

[johnnyg08]

I make a terrible strike 2 call on a very low curve ball. The 3rd base coach calls time out and walks towards me and says, " I don't argue balls and strikes but your strike zone sucks tonight"...

Eject or Not Eject?

I said, "That's enough coach" and he walked away talking under his breath.

 

Gone (100% EJ if more than just he and I can hear his comments)  As others have said, coaches and players don't call time.  They request it.

 

Also, read the game, but if the situation warrants, admit to missing the pitch.  

 

If you feel like you're hearing people complain about your zone nearly every game, it might be time to get a qualified person to evaluate your plate work.  Based on such a gross miss you're describing, I'd say that you definitely need to work on your use of eyes to help you with proper timing.  

[bluejerred]

I make a terrible strike 2 call on a very low curve ball. The 3rd base coach calls time out and walks towards me and says, " I don't argue balls and strikes but your strike zone sucks tonight"...

Eject or Not Eject?

I said, "That's enough coach" and he walked away talking under his breath.

The best handling of a situation for arguing balls/strikes was Vic Carapazza in the playoffs last year.  Remained cool and calm before, during, and after the ejection.  I can only assume he would have ejected earlier if it were regular season, but in any case, one of the best examples of staying cool and keeping the situation in hand.  I learned a lot from watching that situation.  And as always, read "Verbal Judo"!  It will change your life.

[aiber]

I make a terrible strike 2 call on a very low curve ball. The 3rd base coach calls time out and walks towards me and says, " I don't argue balls and strikes but your strike zone sucks tonight"...

Eject or Not Eject?

I said, "That's enough coach" and he walked away talking under his breath.

 

Gone (100% EJ if more than just he and I can hear his comments)  As others have said, coaches and players don't call time.  They request it.

 

Also, read the game, but if the situation warrants, admit to missing the pitch.  

 

If you feel like you're hearing people complain about your zone nearly every game, it might be time to get a qualified person to evaluate your plate work.  Based on such a gross miss you're describing, I'd say that you definitely need to work on your use of eyes to help you with proper timing.

I don't agree with you at all. I never said people were chipping all game. Why would you think that?...Secondly, if he would've asked me about the pitch, I would've said that I missed it. Did you read my original post? Lastly, he asked for time and I gave it to him. Why are you harping on that if others have already said it? When I post here, I really don't really pay to much time to my grammar. Stop beating a dead horse.

[Replacematt]

I make a terrible strike 2 call on a very low curve ball. The 3rd base coach calls time out and walks towards me and says, " I don't argue balls and strikes but your strike zone sucks tonight"...

Eject or Not Eject?

I said, "That's enough coach" and he walked away talking under his breath.

 

Gone (100% EJ if more than just he and I can hear his comments)  As others have said, coaches and players don't call time.  They request it.

 

Also, read the game, but if the situation warrants, admit to missing the pitch.  

 

If you feel like you're hearing people complain about your zone nearly every game, it might be time to get a qualified person to evaluate your plate work.  Based on such a gross miss you're describing, I'd say that you definitely need to work on your use of eyes to help you with proper timing.

I don't agree with you at all. I never said people were chipping all game. Why would you think that?...Secondly, if he would've asked me about the pitch, I would've said that I missed it. Did you read my original post? Lastly, he asked for time and I gave it to him. Why are you harping on that if others have already said it? When I post here, I really don't really pay to much time to my grammar. Stop beating a dead horse.

Here's the problem. Words mean things. If you aren't clear, then people are going to answer based on what it appears you are saying, which may or may not be what you are intending on saying.

[Cav]

fdgh

[Cav]

(Regrets, I was just trying to get something to allow me to quote previous posts.  I used to fly CH47s and now I'm befuddled by a keyboard and a mouse.)

[johnnyg08]

You asked for opinions.  You don't have to agree with me.  If somebody treats me like that in a 12U game (which I don't work) they'll be watching from the parking lot.  When umpires don't take care of business in their games it makes it harder for everybody else coming in after them.

[Replacematt]

(Regrets, I was just trying to get something to allow me to quote previous posts.  I used to fly CH47s and now I'm befuddled by a keyboard and a mouse.)

That's an unusual correlation to make.

[Cav]

The correlation is: in another life, I used to deal with a lot of switches, dials, thumbwheels, levers, lights and indicators; usually without incident.  Now, in this life, I move my cursor to "quote," right click the mouse, and...nothing.  Others quote posts, but I, techie that I am, cannot. 

[johnnyg08]

You're probably too smart for this stuff.  

[Cav]

I have no problems making quotes on other forums.  I'm probably just over-thinking it.  I need to get my nine year-old grandkid in here to 'splain it to me.

[bds53]

Travel ball: dump him on general principles.

 

HS is more complicated, bringing in my relationship with the coach (if any), his behavior earlier in the game, whether he's right, whether anyone else heard him, etc.

 

My possible responses include agreeing with him (if he's right), denying that missing one pitch means I have a bad zone (if he's wrong), or telling him that's enough and sending him back. Unless he's been a jackwagon all game, I don't see restricting him for this.

 

Since the comment does not violate the 3 P's, I would not support an ejection in HS for this.

Just because it is youth ball doesn't mean you are going to eject "on principle". The criteria still needs to be there. Ejection is a last resort, regardless of the level. Travel ball people put good money into playing ball. The last thing they need is an umpire that is out for heads. The game is about the kids not the umpire and coach being jerks towards each other. Give him a warning and move on.

[Replacematt]

The correlation is: in another life, I used to deal with a lot of switches, dials, thumbwheels, levers, lights and indicators; usually without incident.

That puts you ahead of 97% of all other SH*#hook pilots.