P/DH

[Jimurray]

Stumbled across this on the BRD website: http://www.carlsbrd.com/files/MasterImages/FSHAA_fed_DH_DH_rule.pdf

Since @JaxRolo has been in the books he must know if FL is modifying the rule and why.

[maven]

Here's the text of the FHSAA amendment to 3-1-4:
 

The
 designated 
hitter
 and 
the 
starting 
pitcher
 may
 be 
the 
same 
person.
 If
 the 
pitcher 
opts
 to 
bat 
for
 himself,
 he 
is 
treated 
as 
two 
separate 
positions 
– 
a 
pitcher 
and 
a
 designated 
hitter
 (abbreviated 
P/DH 
on
 the 
lineup 
card)
 – 
and
 may 
be 
substituted 
for 
as 
such
 (i.e. 
if
 he
 is 
removed 
as 
the 
pitcher, 
then 
he 
may
 remain 
as 
the 
designated 
hitter 
and 
vice 
versa). 
However,
 if
 a
 player
 who
 starts 
the
 game
 as 
a 
P/DH
 is
 relieved 
as
 the
 starting
 pitcher, 
he 
may
 not 
return 
to
 the
 mound
 even
 if
 he
 remains
 in
 the
 game
 as
 DH,
 and 
he
 may
 not
 play
 any
 other
 defensive
 position
 after
 being
 relieved
 as
 the
 pitcher.


Interesting. This effectively permits coaches to add a DH after the game has started, since the original lineup will contain only 9 players, but the team can later go to 10 when another player takes one of the P/DH's roles.

 

If P is not hitting that day, sub in a different DH for him. Since the DH will still have to be in that spot of the lineup, the P is the only player for whom they'll be able to "introduce" a new DH.

 

I don't quite understand the rationale for the last sentence. FED gives teams a lot of flexibility moving players around on defense, and this rule seems to trade that away for some more flexibility on offense. Other than being a trade-off, why limit them?

 

Another concern: suppose we have Able as P/DH. He's having a bad day in both roles, so we want to sub for him. Since the rules specifies that only the starter can be P/DH, I will have to sub 2 players in that spot.

 

I want Baker to pitch, but he's a great hitter too. Can I do a triple switch? Sub Baker to pitch in F4's spot in the lineup (so Baker hits for himself in that spot), and sub Charlie in the P/DH spot to play F4, and DH for him with Davis. It looks like this:

 

Starting lineup:

 

1.  P/DH   Able

2.   F4      Jones

 

 

New lineup:

1. F4/DH   Charlie/Davis

2. P           Baker

 

I think this satisfies the new rules. Weird, and a lot harder to officiate than the simple FED rule.

[Cav]

Are we discussing NFHS rules, or just those used in Florida?  Neither my 2015 edition in hand nor the online version on the NFHS Website read like the OP.  Did I not get the memo?

[maven]

This amendment seems to be unique to FL.

maven

[noumpere]

Hmm -- thought I posted this before, but I don't see it -- probably a PEBCAK error.

 

Anyway, FL has had this rule for a couple of seasons now, I think.  It's different from the NCAA P/DH rule.

 

And, simialr to the SC (I think) rule about the umpire calling the runner out for missing a base without an appeal, it's a state specific rule.

[JaxRolo]

Yes it is unique to Florida.

 

I really don't mind the rule.

[Thunderheads]

Here's the text of the FHSAA amendment to 3-1-4:

 

The
 designated 
hitter
 and 
the 
starting 
pitcher
 may
 be 
the 
same 
person.
 If
 the 
pitcher 
opts
 to 
bat 
for
 himself,
 he 
is 
treated 
as 
two 
separate 
positions 
– 
a 
pitcher 
and 
a
 designated 
hitter
 (abbreviated 
P/DH 
on
 the 
lineup 
card)
 – 
and
 may 
be 
substituted 
for 
as 
such
 (i.e. 
if
 he
 is 
removed 
as 
the 
pitcher, 
then 
he 
may
 remain 
as 
the 
designated 
hitter 
and 
vice 
versa). 
However,
 if
 a
 player
 who
 starts 
the
 game
 as 
a 
P/DH
 is
 relieved 
as
 the
 starting
 pitcher, 
he 
may
 not 
return 
to
 the
 mound
 even
 if
 he
 remains
 in
 the
 game
 as
 DH,
 and 
he
 may
 not
 play
 any
 other
 defensive
 position
 after
 being
 relieved
 as
 the
 pitcher.


Interesting. This effectively permits coaches to add a DH after the game has started, since the original lineup will contain only 9 players, but the team can later go to 10 when another player takes one of the P/DH's roles.

 

If P is not hitting that day, sub in a different DH for him. Since the DH will still have to be in that spot of the lineup, the P is the only player for whom they'll be able to "introduce" a new DH.

 

I don't quite understand the rationale for the last sentence. FED gives teams a lot of flexibility moving players around on defense, and this rule seems to trade that away for some more flexibility on offense. Other than being a trade-off, why limit them?

 

Another concern: suppose we have Able as P/DH. He's having a bad day in both roles, so we want to sub for him. Since the rules specifies that only the starter can be P/DH, I will have to sub 2 players in that spot.

 

I want Baker to pitch, but he's a great hitter too. Can I do a triple switch? Sub Baker to pitch in F4's spot in the lineup (so Baker hits for himself in that spot), and sub Charlie in the P/DH spot to play F4, and DH for him with Davis. It looks like this:

 

Starting lineup:

 

1.  P/DH   Able

2.   F4      Jones

 

 

New lineup:

1. F4/DH   Charlie/Davis

2. P           Baker

 

I think this satisfies the new rules. Weird, and a lot harder to officiate than the simple FED rule.

Where's my Tylenol?!

 

Thankfully I don't officiate in FL