Neighborhood Play Challenged - Overturned (ATL@NYM 7/7)

[Larry in TN]

Why was this reviewable? The throw was right on target.

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/63817564/v34382077

[Haid D' Salaami]

this is not the neighborhood play, but a pulled foot play

[Larry in TN]

Maybe I don't understand the definition of the neighborhood play, then. Not something I can look up in 2.00, either.

They just had another "neighborhood play" reviewed and overturned in the ATL@CUBS game. This time the overturn went in favor of ATL with the out being called recorded at 2B, starting the double-play, which was originally called safe from a pulled foot. Once again, it was a good throw. Will have to look for that video when it gets posted.

So, can anyone give me a better understanding of what the definition is and what is going on in those two situations?

[johnnyg08]

Neighborhood play = shortstop (F6) receives a quality throw from F1, F3, or F4 on the back of the base, he drags his foot across the back edge of 2b and delivers the throw to F3 or whomever is covering 1B in an effort to complete the double play. 

 

The "neighborhood" portion means that his foot might not necessarily graze the rear edge of 2b, but the out at 2b on R1 is granted regardless.

[Larry in TN]

The "neighborhood" portion means that his foot might not necessarily graze the rear edge of 2b, but the out at 2b on R1 is granted regardless.

I know that there's no official definition but thought that coming off the bag early to clear the incoming runner was also a "neighborhood" play? The wikipedea entry includes it.

"In baseball, a neighborhood play is a force play where a fielder receiving the ball in attempting to force out a runner at second base, catches and quickly throws the ball to first base in a double play attempt without actually touching second base, or by touching second base well before catching the ball."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighborhood_play

[johnnyg08]

 

The "neighborhood" portion means that his foot might not necessarily graze the rear edge of 2b, but the out at 2b on R1 is granted regardless.

I know that there's no official definition but thought that coming off the bag early to clear the incoming runner was also a "neighborhood" play? The wikipedea entry includes it.

"In baseball, a neighborhood play is a force play where a fielder receiving the ball in attempting to force out a runner at second base, catches and quickly throws the ball to first base in a double play attempt without actually touching second base, or by touching second base well before catching the ball."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighborhood_play

 

 

Maybe, but it's not the definition MLB uses.

[Haid D' Salaami]

Wikipedia....LOL..

 

OBR doesn't use the neighborhood play..it's not is rule 2.00...

[grayhawk]

According to Gil's site:

Replay Review Regulation V.D.1., regarding plays not subject to review, defines what criteria constitutes a neighborhood play that is not reviewable: "The Umpire's judgment that a runner is clearly out on a force play at second base under circumstances in which the defensive player may or may not have touched second base in his attempt to complete a double play and avoid a collision with the runner."
 

[johnnyg08]

AND is the key piece there when reading the avoiding a collision piece.

[Larry in TN]

Here's the second reviewed play.

 

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/70467870/v34533033

[zm1283]

I don't like that this call was overturned at all. The throw didn't pull the fielder off the base. He was trying to clear the runner. I think this is a neighborhood play. 

[Thunderheads]

not that Wikipedia makes any sense most of the time, but .........

 

The neighborhood play isn't so much that the fielder didn't touch the base ....it's actually that he touches the base but not necessarily while the ball is in his control

[Larry in TN]

So why were reviews allowed on these two plays?  When would a "neighborhood play" be unreviewable?

[johnnyg08]

He cheated to turn the double play faster.  I'm okay w/ the call and this not being neighborhood.

[grayhawk]

AND is the key piece there when reading the avoiding a collision piece.

 

@johnnyg08 - how does the fielder know R1 isn't coming after him?  From the angle of the throw, he can't see the runner at all.

[ricka56]

He cheated to turn the double play faster.  

 

Every neighborhood play has the pivot man receiving the ball on the side to which it came, to turn the DP faster.