B.O.O. - Who goes where?

[stl_ump]

A B C D E

 

A and B bat correctly.

E gets on

D gets a triple and E scores

C comes to bat and they say BOO.

 

Who is out, who is up to bat and what about the run that scored?

 

Thanks!

[bam]

F (or A if all you've got is A B C D & E) 

[ALStripes17]

Assuming no pitch was thrown to C, I agree with bam.

F is out, G is next batter. E goes back to whatever base he was on when D hit the triple (any advancement by E during D's AB but prior to the triple still counts).

[grayhawk]

A pitch thrown to D legalized E's turn at bat, so the proper batter is F. D bats in F's spot and BOO is appealed before a pitch is thrown to C, so F is out, put E back on the base he occupied, and G is now the proper batter.

[bam]

oops

[stl_ump]

OK.. Got it. (I think)  I'll have to digest this a bit.

Thanks!

[noumpere]

OK.. Got it. (I think)  I'll have to digest this a bit.

Thanks!

Remember that you can appeal too early, too late or right on time.

 

Assuming they appealed right on time (no pitch thrown to C), then remember MYTAB -- Missed Your Turn At Bat -- is the one who messed up, and the one who is out.

 

Learn those two things and the application will be pretty easy.

[BaltimoreUmpire]

I once had a number 12 hitter come up in the 1 spot, other teams coach tried to tell me that ment the hitting team got 11 outs, meaning they wouldn't bat for 3 innings that was a real WTF do you have any understanding of baseball? No rule code would charge 11 outs in that situation, my guess that coach thinks umpires make up the rules on the field and there is no rulebook he can read

[SoCal Lurker]

I once had a number 12 hitter come up in the 1 spot, other teams coach tried to tell me that ment the hitting team got 11 outs, meaning they wouldn't bat for 3 innings that was a real WTF do you have any understanding of baseball? No rule code would charge 11 outs in that situation, my guess that coach thinks umpires make up the rules on the field and there is no rulebook he can read

 

Heck, it's worth a try!  (And what's scary, is I have seen games with "umpires" who might have bought that one . . . )

[afaber12]

A B C D E F G H I (added to clarify)

 

A and B bat correctly.

E gets on

D gets a triple and E scores

C comes to bat and they say BOO.

 

Who is out, who is up to bat and what about the run that scored?

 

Thanks!

 

For completeness' sake, it depends on whether C faced a pitch (or if there was a pick off attempt on D at 3rd) or not before the BOO appeal. I'll assume E was R2 when D tripled.

 

If there wasn't a pitch or attempted play (not including missed base appeals) after D's triple:

• The first pitch to D legalised E's at bat. Therefore the proper batter was F.
• F is out. E is returned to 2nd base (or wherever they were when D hit the triple - he can keep stolen bases, advances on WP, PB, etc that weren't because of the batter).
• G is now the proper batter. If F became the 3rd out, obviously G is due to lead off the next inning.

 

If there was a pitch or attempted play after D's triple:

• The pitch or play legalised D's at bat. (E was already legalised, but you never have to worry about going back that far for BOO.) Therefore the proper batter is E.
• Even though E just came in to score - that run counts - they now bat again.
• E assumes whatever count C had run up at the point the appeal was made.
• No outs are recorded because of the BOO.

 

Either way C misses out until next time through the order. Though that would really frustrate me if I was C, I would be paying a lot more attention and wouldn't have let someone else bat in my place, so maybe C doesn't mind too much.

[ALStripes17]

A B C D E F G H I (added to clarify) A and B bat correctly. E gets on D gets a triple and E scores C comes to bat and they say BOO. Who is out, who is up to bat and what about the run that scored? Thanks!

For completeness' sake, it depends on whether C faced a pitch (or if there was a pick off attempt on D at 3rd) or not before the BOO appeal. I'll assume E was R2 when D tripled. If there wasn't a pitch or attempted play (not including missed base appeals) after D's triple:

• The first pitch to D legalised E's at bat. Therefore the proper batter was F.
• F is out. E is returned to 2nd base (or wherever they were when D hit the triple - he can keep stolen bases, advances on WP, PB, etc that weren't because of the batter).
• G is now the proper batter. If F became the 3rd out, obviously G is due to lead off the next inning.

If there was a pitch or attempted play after D's triple:

• The pitch or play legalised D's at bat. (E was already legalised, but you never have to worry about going back that far for BOO.) Therefore the proper batter is E.
• Even though E just came in to score - that run counts - they now bat again.
• E assumes whatever count C had run up at the point the appeal was made.
• No outs are recorded because of the BOO.

Either way C misses out until next time through the order. Though that would really frustrate me if I was C, I would be paying a lot more attention and wouldn't have let someone else bat in my place, so maybe C doesn't mind too much.

Does a play nullify a BOO appeal? For some reason, I thought a pitch to the next batter was the only way to legalize an AB. Edit: Rule 6.07 in OBR ... a pitch is the only thing that can legalize the next batter. The answer has been given. This needs to be locked up.

[BaltimoreUmpire]

I once had a number 12 hitter come up in the 1 spot, other teams coach tried to tell me that ment the hitting team got 11 outs, meaning they wouldn't bat for 3 innings that was a real WTF do you have any understanding of baseball? No rule code would charge 11 outs in that situation, my guess that coach thinks umpires make up the rules on the field and there is no rulebook he can read

Heck, it's worth a try! (And what's scary, is I have seen games with "umpires" who might have bought that one . . . )Yea I'm young not stupid that wasn't gonna happen with me out there, especially when that coaches AC came out to our discussion(generally a big no no) and tells his HC thats not how it works, I knew the AC and let him out there because as he stepped on the field he was shouting(more like talking loud enough to be heard not real "shouting" persay) "(his HC's name) thats not the way the rule works" so I knew he would be a voice the HC would listen to and drop his insane argument, boy that game was entertaining there were plenty of other faults in that coaches understanding of the rules

[afaber12]

 

 

A B C D E F G H I (added to clarify)

A and B bat correctly.

E gets on

D gets a triple and E scores

C comes to bat and they say BOO.

Who is out, who is up to bat and what about the run that scored?

Thanks!

For completeness' sake, it depends on whether C faced a pitch (or if there was a pick off attempt on D at 3rd) or not before the BOO appeal. I'll assume E was R2 when D tripled.

If there wasn't a pitch or attempted play (not including missed base appeals) after D's triple:

• The first pitch to D legalised E's at bat. Therefore the proper batter was F.
• F is out. E is returned to 2nd base (or wherever they were when D hit the triple - he can keep stolen bases, advances on WP, PB, etc that weren't because of the batter).
• G is now the proper batter. If F became the 3rd out, obviously G is due to lead off the next inning.

If there was a pitch or attempted play after D's triple:

• The pitch or play legalised D's at bat. (E was already legalised, but you never have to worry about going back that far for BOO.) Therefore the proper batter is E.
• Even though E just came in to score - that run counts - they now bat again.
• E assumes whatever count C had run up at the point the appeal was made.
• No outs are recorded because of the BOO.

Either way C misses out until next time through the order. Though that would really frustrate me if I was C, I would be paying a lot more attention and wouldn't have let someone else bat in my place, so maybe C doesn't mind too much.

 

Does a play nullify a BOO appeal? For some reason, I thought a pitch to the next batter was the only way to legalize an AB.

Edit: Rule 6.07 in OBR ... a pitch is the only thing that can legalize the next batter.

The answer has been given. This needs to be locked up.

 

 

Just re-read OBR 6.07: Though 6.07c and 6.07d only refer to a potential BOO appeal being made before the next pitch, 6.07b - which is the part that actually establishes what happens with a successful appeal for BOO - refers to an appeal being made before the next pitch, play or attempted play. The pitch might be what technically legalises what has gone before, but a play prevents an appeal from being made, just as with other appeals like for missed base.

[MPLSMatt]

If you have a BOO appeal and the proper batter is on base already, how do you handle it?

[grayhawk]

If you have a BOO appeal and the proper batter is on base already, how do you handle it?

 

Skip him and go to the next player in the order.

[ALStripes17]

BOOM!! Lock it up :)

[noumpere]

 

If you have a BOO appeal and the proper batter is on base already, how do you handle it?

 

Skip him and go to the next player in the order.

 

OBR 6.07, Play 6:

RULING: The proper batter is Edward. When

the proper batter is on base, he is passed over, and the following batter becomes the proper batter.

 

(Unless we're all misunderstanding the question)