When do you "get help"

[hill2933]

Working a tournament this week where it seems like every coach is asking us to get help on anything they don't agree with. I am fine with getting together with my partner if the coach has something specific (pulled foot, missed tag etc.) but don't like having a huddle every time you have a close call. How do you decide what plays you get together on?

 

This came up when a bunt hit B/R. I was in B when kid bunted ball that bounced up and hit him in the chest. I had him clearly outside the box but partner was straight lined behind him and F2. I held long enough to make sure partner wasn't calling anything and killed it. Coach came out wanting me to see what my partner had. I told him that I had the call and there was no need to get together. Coach starts saying that it is arrogant not to ask for help. This was an obvious call and if PU had anything he would have called it well before I did.

 

 

 

 

[JaxRolo]

No help on judgement calls! 

 

Only pulled foot, swipe tags.

 

 

Of course I never have to ask for help cause I get them all right!

[Thunderheads]

Working a tournament this week where it seems like every coach is asking us to get help on anything they don't agree with. I am fine with getting together with my partner if the coach has something specific (pulled foot, missed tag etc.) but don't like having a huddle every time you have a close call. How do you decide what plays you get together on?

 

This came up when a bunt hit B/R. I was in B when kid bunted ball that bounced up and hit him in the chest. I had him clearly outside the box but partner was straight lined behind him and F2. I held long enough to make sure partner wasn't calling anything and killed it. Coach came out wanting me to see what my partner had. I told him that I had the call and there was no need to get together. Coach starts saying that it is arrogant not to ask for help. This was an obvious call and if PU had anything he would have called it well before I did.

YOU CALLED IT ...........in B ???

 

Let your partner call it, and then come to you.

[umpire_scott]

Hill - It was fine for you to kill it in terms of seeing it hit the player, but it is up to PU to determine whether he was in the box or not.  You should have called time indicating the ball hit him.  Then if your partner did not see when or where he was when he got hit he can come to you to see what you had.  That looks much better than you calling him out from "B".  As a coach I would have asked for help on that as well.

[grayhawk]

Hill - It was fine for you to kill it in terms of seeing it hit the player, but it is up to PU to determine whether he was in the box or not.  You should have called time indicating the ball hit him.  Then if your partner did not see when or where he was when he got hit he can come to you to see what you had.  That looks much better than you calling him out from "B".

 

Agreed.  It may have been clear to you, but getting with your partner (before the coach asked you to get help) is the best way to handle it.  Why leave the guy who was right on top of the play out of the discussion?  If he didn't see anything, then just go with what you have.

 

As to the original question about when to go for help?  Only in specific situations where I think my partner has information that I need.  On simple judgment calls, no need to go for help as it's just one opinion versus another.

[Specks]

I will go to my partner if I think he has ADDITIONAL information ie pulled foot, something that I was blocked from. I won't go for help to see if he has DIFFERENT information or opinion (judgement). Coaches want you to go for a different opinion and that answer my friends is a big fat no! 

[hill2933]

Working a tournament this week where it seems like every coach is asking us to get help on anything they don't agree with. I am fine with getting together with my partner if the coach has something specific (pulled foot, missed tag etc.) but don't like having a huddle every time you have a close call. How do you decide what plays you get together on?

 

This came up when a bunt hit B/R. I was in B when kid bunted ball that bounced up and hit him in the chest. I had him clearly outside the box but partner was straight lined behind him and F2. I held long enough to make sure partner wasn't calling anything and killed it. Coach came out wanting me to see what my partner had. I told him that I had the call and there was no need to get together. Coach starts saying that it is arrogant not to ask for help. This was an obvious call and if PU had anything he would have called it well before I did.

YOU CALLED IT ...........in B ???

 

Let your partner call it, and then come to you.

I don't think he even knew it hit the kid. He was two full steps out of the box going toward first and catcher was between PU and B/R. I waited until he was half way to first before I called anything. I called time several times but they continued to throw the ball around and runners were trying to advance. Would not feel comfortable going to PU who did not know it hit the kid and ask where he was when it hit him.

[umpire_scott]

 

 

Working a tournament this week where it seems like every coach is asking us to get help on anything they don't agree with. I am fine with getting together with my partner if the coach has something specific (pulled foot, missed tag etc.) but don't like having a huddle every time you have a close call. How do you decide what plays you get together on?

 

This came up when a bunt hit B/R. I was in B when kid bunted ball that bounced up and hit him in the chest. I had him clearly outside the box but partner was straight lined behind him and F2. I held long enough to make sure partner wasn't calling anything and killed it. Coach came out wanting me to see what my partner had. I told him that I had the call and there was no need to get together. Coach starts saying that it is arrogant not to ask for help. This was an obvious call and if PU had anything he would have called it well before I did.

YOU CALLED IT ...........in B ???

 

Let your partner call it, and then come to you.

I don't think he even knew it hit the kid. He was two full steps out of the box going toward first and catcher was between PU and B/R. I waited until he was half way to first before I called anything. I called time several times but they continued to throw the ball around and runners were trying to advance. Would not feel comfortable going to PU who did not know it hit the kid and ask where he was when it hit him.

 

 

The way I would handle it is to call "time" immediately.  If your partner looks dumbfounded and does not make the call as to whether he was in the box or not, then I would motion to him to "get together".  Then tell him what you have.  Then it is his choice whether to rule foul ball or out. If you kill it immediately then PU might actually be able to rule on "in the box or not".  

[ump570]

PU has all calls on batter. That being said, I will call foul balls that hit the batter if it's obvious my partner couldn't see it. This play seems different though. I would never make this call from b unless my partner asks me for help.

[catsbackr]

OWN the calls that are yours and yours alone, as others have said. Also, don't let coaches go on there own to your partner. Let them know it is yours, period.

[noumpere]

You can clearly get the ball-hitting-the-batter from B or C.  And, if I'm PU, I'm going to thank you for this.

 

I might not be able to tell as PU whether or not the ball hit the batter, but I am going to be able to tell that IF it hit him, where he was (most of the time, and benefit of the doubt to "he was in the box.")

[millerforrest]

And if the ball came out! LOL

[millerforrest]

Better make damn sure it hits the batter OUTSIDE the box. I had a partner call that when as PU I clearly saw it did NOT contact BR and I chewed him a new ass after game.