Loss of DH9

[zoops]

Just looking for a rule of thumb on substitutions involving the DH - they always seem to make my head spin.  Here was one from the J/R manual that I'm having a hard time understanding:

 

Adams  9

Bacon   4

Cooper  8

Darwin   2

Eliot      DH

Frost     3 

Grant    7

Hugo     5

Irving     6

 

James 1

 

 

Substitute King comes in as a reliever and James goes to left field.  What is the resulting new batting order and why?  I have an answer written here but I'll save it for now as I'm having a hard time understanding it.  

[LMSANS]

Just looking for a rule of thumb on substitutions involving the DH - they always seem to make my head spin.  Here was one from the J/R manual that I'm having a hard time understanding:

 

Adams  9

Bacon   4

Cooper  8

Darwin   2

Eliot      DH

Frost     3 

Grant    7

Hugo     5

Irving     6

 

James 1

 

 

Substitute King comes in as a reliever and James goes to left field.  What is the resulting new batting order and why?  I have an answer written here but I'll save it for now as I'm having a hard time understanding it.  

King bats for Grant.  Eliot is still DH, James still does not bat.  This is HS.  NCAA and OBR have other restrictions on DH rules.

[Rich Ives]

Just looking for a rule of thumb on substitutions involving the DH - they always seem to make my head spin.  Here was one from the J/R manual that I'm having a hard time understanding:

 

Adams  9

Bacon   4

Cooper  8

Darwin   2

Eliot      DH

Frost     3 

Grant    7

Hugo     5

Irving     6

 

James 1

 

 

Substitute King comes in as a reliever and James goes to left field.  What is the resulting new batting order and why?  I have an answer written here but I'll save it for now as I'm having a hard time understanding it.  

 

If you're using J/R you're looking at OBR.

 

If you put the DH or the pitcher in the field it kills the DH position

[noumpere]

Just looking for a rule of thumb on substitutions involving the DH - they always seem to make my head spin.  Here was one from the J/R manual that I'm having a hard time understanding:

 

Adams  9

Bacon   4

Cooper  8

Darwin   2

Eliot      DH

Frost     3 

Grant    7

Hugo     5

Irving     6

 

James 1

 

 

Substitute King comes in as a reliever and James goes to left field.  What is the resulting new batting order and why?  I have an answer written here but I'll save it for now as I'm having a hard time understanding it.  

FED:  The old pitcher and the DH are locked into one spot.  So, when James enters in left, Eliot is removed from the game.  King therefore must bat in Grant's spot (and Grant is removed).  The DH role is eliminated from the game. 3-1-4  James continues to play defense (but as F7 instead of as F1), Eliot continues to DH; King replaces Grant.

 

NCAA: The old pitcher (James) MUST bat in the spot of the replaced fielder (Grant).  The new pitcher (King) MUST bat in the spot of the DH (Eliot); The DH role is eliminated for the game. 7-2©(2)

 

OBR:  Same as NCAA.

[maven]

The FED DH rule is simple: one player on offense, one on defense, one spot in the order.

 

Any eligible sub may substitute for either player, assuming his role (offense or defense), and we retain the DH.

 

If either player does the other's job, the role of the DH is gone, the other member of that spot in the order is out of the game, and you play straight 9.

 

So @noumpere's answer is not quite correct: James was the defensive player, and all he does is change positions. Since James is still on defense, Elliott remains the DH. Grant comes out of the game, and King bats in Grant's spot in the lineup.

 

The role of pitcher is not relevant to the DH rule for FED.

[noumpere]

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So @noumpere's answer is not quite correct:

I have no idea what you are talking about. 

[zoops]

Yeah I was looking for OBR.  I guess I was under the impression that the OBR rule was the same as the FED rule where the pitcher and DH are tied to a spot in the batting order, thus making James go to the 7th spot in the lineup didn't make sense.  

 

Another interesting one:  If Adams goes to pitch, James goes to RF, and Grant is replaced by Leo, what's the order now?  OBR.

[noumpere]

Yeah I was looking for OBR.  I guess I was under the impression that the OBR rule was the same as the FED rule where the pitcher and DH are tied to a spot in the batting order, thus making James go to the 7th spot in the lineup didn't make sense.  

 

Another interesting one:  If Adams goes to pitch, James goes to RF, and Grant is replaced by Leo, what's the order now?  OBR.

Coach can decide.

[maven]

 

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So @noumpere's answer is not quite correct:

I have no idea what you are talking about. 

 

 

You said that when James moves to the outfield, the role of the DH is terminated. But James was the pitcher.

 

I see what you did there.