Bases loaded, two outs, runner hit by batted ball

[RingEmUp]

Interesting play from Saturday.  8u pitching machine, bases loaded with two outs.  Batter hits a bouncing grounder to the F4 but the ball hits the runner and I make the correct call of calling him out.  Here is where it gets fun.  VT was at bat and tried to say the runner on 3rd crossed home before the runner was out.  1) I ruled it as a force out and no run can count.  2) The runner on 3rd was behind me and in my opinion there is no way he crossed home before the ball hit the runner as the runner on first was still closer to 1st base than 2nd base. 

 

The only interpretation I have found covers if it is intentional and with two outs then the BR is ruled out and no runs count since it is the third out at first.  Is there a scenario where the run counts? 

[guyinaredhat]

Runner hit by batted ball is interference and runners don't advance with interference. This is not a timing play or a force . But also the 3 rd out occurs before the br reached first so also no run scores .

[VAUmp]

A.  Why would a coach argue anything in a  game involving 8 year olds?

 

B.  Why is anyone keeping score in a game where a pitching machine is used?

 

C.  Why do they have umpires in a game involving a pitching machine and 8 year olds?

 

 

Oh, by the way, you got the call right.

[ALStripes17]

A. Why would a coach argue anything in a game involving 8 year olds?

B. Why is anyone keeping score in a game where a pitching machine is used?

C. Why do they have umpires in a game involving a pitching machine and 8 year olds?

Oh, by the way, you got the call right.

A: more coaches argue in 8U than any other level

B: bc it keeps the daddys (and GLMs) somewhat entertained and satisfies their competitiveness ... bc thats what they are out there for - themselves

C: yes, bc score is kept and coaches would never be able to agree to be gentlemen in regards to kids being out/safe on bases. Its a sad sad world my friend

[johnnyg08]

A.  Why would a coach argue anything in a  game involving 8 year olds?

 

B.  Why is anyone keeping score in a game where a pitching machine is used?

 

C.  Why do they have umpires in a game involving a pitching machine and 8 year olds?

 

 

Oh, by the way, you got the call right.

 

 

amen.

[RingEmUp]

A.  Why would a coach argue anything in a  game involving 8 year olds?

 

B.  Why is anyone keeping score in a game where a pitching machine is used?

 

C.  Why do they have umpires in a game involving a pitching machine and 8 year olds?

 

 

Oh, by the way, you got the call right.

 

 

This was a local all-star 8u tourney.  They wanted two umps per game for the final four.  I had to turn that down due to a schedule conflict but that would have basically been stealing $70. 

[noumpere]

This is not a timing play or a force . But also the 3 rd out occurs before the br reached first so also no run scores .

It has to be one or the other (and the correct wording is time play).  This is a force.

 

The rule is if the BR makes the third out before reaching first -- you could, in theory, have another runner make the third out before the BR reaches first and have the run count.

[Rich Ives]

 

This is not a timing play or a force . But also the 3 rd out occurs before the br reached first so also no run scores .

It has to be one or the other (and the correct wording is time play).  This is a force.

 

The rule is if the BR makes the third out before reaching first -- you could, in theory, have another runner make the third out before the BR reaches first and have the run count.

 

 

 

The runner was forced but the out was for interference. An out on a force play is by tagging the runner or the base. On the interference the ball is dead and no runner can advance unless forced. And if a runner or the batter-runner is out, R3 can NEVER be forced so he cannot score on an interference out like this  one.

 

And if some runner other than the B-R makes the third out the B-R is assumed to have reached 1B. He became a runner when he hit the ball. What else would you do with him?

[Jocko]

@RingEmUp - think of this.....say there were no outs on your play. What would you do with R3? You'd put him back on 3B. So, outs notwithstanding, R3 CANNOT score.

[CricketChapman]

@RingEmUp - think of this.....say there were no outs on your play. What would you do with R3? You'd put him back on 3B. So, outs notwithstanding, R3 CANNOT score.

Put another way: how can a runner score on this play, since he never advanced to home plate?

[RingEmUp]

@RingEmUp - think of this.....say there were no outs on your play. What would you do with R3? You'd put him back on 3B. So, outs notwithstanding, R3 CANNOT score.

 

Thanks for this.  I was looking around for this scenario too but couldn't really find it.  This play happened late into my 3rd game of the day and I was a little dehydrated and my feet were killing me.  Thanks to Naproxen I was able to play hockey the next day.

[DVA7130]

No runners may score on this type of interference. Ever end of story. Runners only advance if forced by BR awarded a selfish hit.