NCAA Official Scorer

[johnnyg08]

Rule 10-1c5 states:

 

"The scorer shall not call the attention of the umpire or any member of either team to the fact that a player is batting out of turn."

 

 

So...the rule is very clear.  What's the penalty for violating?  And once the official scorer calls it to the attention of any of the above parties, if properly appealed we still have to enforce BOO correct?

 

Thanks,

John

[JaxRolo]

Eject scorekeeper

[kanedog]

7-11-5 AR

 

Warn the official scorer that they will be ejected next time.

[johnnyg08]

7-11-5 AR

 

Warn the official scorer that they will be ejected next time.

There it is. Thanks for the cite!

[BT_Blue]

7-11-5 AR Warn the official scorer that they will be ejected next time.

There it is. Thanks for the cite!

Except it doesnt seem to answer the whole question... do we still enforce the BOO even though it was brought to the attention of the HC by the score keeper?

[VAUmp]

Once you are aware of BOO, you must enforce it.

[BT_Blue]

I figured that would be the case. So handle the BOO then inform the HC that he is not allowed to get this information from his score keeper and inform him to let the score keeper know that next time it happens they will be ejected.

Got the gist of it?

[UmpTTS43]

I do not know of an official position on this. This is how I would handle it.

Warn the scorekeeper.

Allow the appeal. Denying the appeal could bring a protest that I will address later.

Have conversation with opposing coach. Explain my ruling and let him know that if he feels I am ruling incorrectly, he had the right to protest.

Ideally a protest would come out of this so a ruling could be made, on how to deal with this sitch, by the powers that be.

I would rather have the opposing coach protest. If his protest is upheld, the game would resume at the point of said protest. I suspect the BOO appeal would be granted on a ruling so that is why I would allow it versus not allow it and having the game resume from that point of appeal.

[BT_Blue]

Makes sense.

If this post is still going this weekend I will try and remember to as Hiler about it. He is our assigner here in the Pac NW so he will be at our meeting.

[VAUmp]

The rule states the "official score keeper"   I would venture to guess that at most NCAA games, the official score keeper is located in the press box.  If you, as a coach, have someone keeping the book on your bench that is not the official keeper, then I would say they can tell you whatever they want during a game.  

[johnnyg08]

Funny thing is the likelihood of BOO twice in a game.

The Scorer gets warned and the home team gets the out.

If I'm a coach, I will take that all day.

It's not going to happened a 2nd time...so while there is rule support for an ejection, it's never going to happened.

[BT_Blue]

The rule states the "official score keeper"   I would venture to guess that at most NCAA games, the official score keeper is located in the press box.  If you, as a coach, have someone keeping the book on your bench that is not the official keeper, then I would say they can tell you whatever they want during a game.

Heck, some JuCo games I umpired in SoCal didnt even HAVE a press box!

[johnnyg08]

 

The rule states the "official score keeper"   I would venture to guess that at most NCAA games, the official score keeper is located in the press box.  If you, as a coach, have someone keeping the book on your bench that is not the official keeper, then I would say they can tell you whatever they want during a game.

Heck, some JuCo games I umpired in SoCal didnt even HAVE a press box!

 

 

 

yeah, in a lot of my college games, the "press box" is right behind the back stop.  often times two or three feet away from the dugout.

[noumpere]

 

 

7-11-5 AR Warn the official scorer that they will be ejected next time.

There it is. Thanks for the cite!

Except it doesnt seem to answer the whole question... do we still enforce the BOO even though it was brought to the attention of the HC by the score keeper?

 

No -- at least not directly.  It must be appealed by the opposing team -- 7-11a

 

(As a practical matter, it will be, I agree; but I'm not ruling on it until it is -- maybe the defense wants the "play" to stand, or now there is another improper batter and they want to see what is going to happen)