CAN THEY STILL APPEAL?

[stl_ump]

R2

 

R3 went home on a caught fly ball.  Defense decided to appeal leaving early.

Pitcher steps off and throws to 3rd... but it's a bad throw and rolls to the fence.  R2 advances to 3rd.

They get the ball an make their appeal.  I allowed it as the runner going to 3rd, in my opinion, wasn't a play.  He just moved up on a bad throw.

 

Was this correct?

Thanks

 

Oh.. and if the pitcher didn't step off and threw from the rubber would that be considered a balk?  I thought I read that somewhere it wasn't.  I guess that question is for another thread.

[mstaylor]

Unless it went out of play they can still appeal. Yes, he can do it from the rubber.<br /><br />Sent from my C771 using Tapatalk 2<br /><br />

[blue23ll]

Can't the ball just be thrown to 3rd and an appeal be made there? It is still a live ball. But as Mike stated above, the appeal can be made from the rubber.

[noumpere]

If it was NCAA, then the second appeal would not be allowed but my guess is that you are asking about a different rules code.

[mstaylor]

Can't the ball just be thrown to 3rd and an appeal be made there? It is still a live ball. But as Mike stated above, the appeal can be made from the rubber.

Yes, it could be just thrown over without going to the mound but it sounds like they decided late to appeal. 

[stl_ump]

We did have a dead ball so I had to put the ball back in play. It was a late appeal.  OBR

[johnnyg08]

R2

 

R3 went home on a caught fly ball.  Defense decided to appeal leaving early.

Pitcher steps off and throws to 3rd... but it's a bad throw and rolls to the fence.  R2 advances to 3rd.

They get the ball an make their appeal.  I allowed it as the runner going to 3rd, in my opinion, wasn't a play.  He just moved up on a bad throw.

 

Was this correct?

Thanks

 

Oh.. and if the pitcher didn't step off and threw from the rubber would that be considered a balk?  I thought I read that somewhere it wasn't.  I guess that question is for another thread.

Nice job!

[Jocko]

R2 R3 went home on a caught fly ball.  Defense decided to appeal leaving early.Pitcher steps off and throws to 3rd... but it's a bad throw and rolls to the fence.  R2 advances to 3rd.They get the ball an make their appeal.  I allowed it as the runner going to 3rd, in my opinion, wasn't a play.  He just moved up on a bad throw. Was this correct?Thanks Oh.. and if the pitcher didn't step off and threw from the rubber would that be considered a balk?  I thought I read that somewhere it wasn't.  I guess that question is for another thread.

as far as the balk....if rhp steps directly to 3b and attempts to pickoff R3, is that a balk?

[johnnyg08]

as far as the balk....if rhp steps directly to 3b and attempts to pickoff R3, is that a balk?

They're probably incorrectly arguing that you can't throw to an unoccupied base.

If it was NCAA, then the second appeal would not be allowed but my guess is that you are asking about a different rules code.

Why wouldn't it be allowed in NCAA

[johnnyg08]

Citation:  2013 EBRD - Childress

 

[noumpere]

 

 

Why wouldn't it be allowed in NCAA

 

 

Are you asking what the rule is or why the rule is the way it is?

[mstaylor]

 

 

 

Why wouldn't it be allowed in NCAA

 

 

Are you asking what the rule is or why the rule is the way it is?

 

The confusion came when the ball stayed in play but you said NCAA wouldn't allow going back and get the appeal. We all agree if it went OOP then appeal is dead, I believe we are all on the same page now. 

[noumpere]

 

 

 

 

Why wouldn't it be allowed in NCAA

 

 

Are you asking what the rule is or why the rule is the way it is?

 

The confusion came when the ball stayed in play but you said NCAA wouldn't allow going back and get the appeal. We all agree if it went OOP then appeal is dead, I believe we are all on the same page now. 

 

NCAA would not allow going back and getting the appeal because R2 advanced.  If R2 did not advance and the ball went right back to third, then NCAA would allow going back to get the appeal.

[johnnyg08]

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[johnnyg08]

Courtesy 2013 BRD, Childress

 

[johnnyg08]

An appeal by NCAA definition is not considered a play.  

 

I think you are correct.  Thanks for making me look that up:

 

 

(5)  If the defensive team errs on an appeal play and the ball remains in live- ball territory, the appeal will be allowed if:

(a) The ball immediately is returned to the base being appealed; and

(b) No runners advance on the misplay. If a runner(s) advances, no appeal shall be allowed. 

[johnnyg08]

NCAA would not allow going back and getting the appeal because R2 advanced.  If R2 did not advance and the ball went right back to third, then NCAA would allow going back to get the appeal.

This is correct. Thanks for making me look that up.

NCAA 8-4-b5

[noumpere]

The NCAA rule on appeals is more confusing than it needs to be imo especially with the pre-announced multiple appeals bit.

[SoCal Lurker]

An aside . . .

 

So R2 and R3.  One out.  Fly out to the right field.  R2 and R3 advance, but R3 left early.  Ball returns to pitcher, and coach is yelling that the runner at third left early.  Am I correct that the smart thing for R2 to d od (who is now standing on third) is to break for home and try to draw a throw to the plate, which would wipe out the ability to appeal at htird and take the run off the score board?  Or am I missing something?

[mstaylor]

In Fed and NCAA they can play on him and still get the appeal because the offense initiated the play. In OBR, that would be correct, they would have to decide to appeal or play on the runner. 

[johnnyg08]

An aside . . .

 

So R2 and R3.  One out.  Fly out to the right field.  R2 and R3 advance, but R3 left early.  Ball returns to pitcher, and coach is yelling that the runner at third left early.  Am I correct that the smart thing for R2 to d od (who is now standing on third) is to break for home and try to draw a throw to the plate, which would wipe out the ability to appeal at htird and take the run off the score board?  Or am I missing something?

 

 

Most coaches/teams don't realize the base was missed until after the appeal...which is why there are so many arguments after a successful missed base appeal.

[zoops]

So what constitutes "initiating a play?"  Let's say you have R1, and the batter hits a double and R1 comes in to score.  The BR slides into second and is safe and then steps off the bag a couple seconds later while the F4 is still holding the ball and gets tagged out.  The defense then wants to appeal that R1 missed 3rd.  Does the tag out constitute a separate play (and thus cancel their ability to appeal in OBR) or is it a continuation of the first play?  

[noumpere]

your judgment its why you get paid the big bucks and sometimes you need to umpire.

 

I think that's enough clishes.

 

In the specific play you mention Id give the benefit to the defense and allow the appeal.

[johnnyg08]

So what constitutes "initiating a play?"  Let's say you have R1, and the batter hits a double and R1 comes in to score.  The BR slides into second and is safe and then steps off the bag a couple seconds later while the F4 is still holding the ball and gets tagged out.  The defense then wants to appeal that R1 missed 3rd.  Does the tag out constitute a separate play (and thus cancel their ability to appeal in OBR) or is it a continuation of the first play?  

 

 

The MLBUM gives several examples, as to whether or not we'd allow an appeal.

 

For many examples, the test revolves around continuous action and allowing the defense to appeal. 

 

One continuous action has ceased, then new offensive action after that would be considered initiating a new play.  

 

And like noumpere wrote above, it does come down to judgment.

[mstaylor]

Some good answers. Basically if play hasn't relaxed then any play is fine. If play has relaxed, meaning nobody is trying to advance/nobody is attempting outs, then any play would be a killer to the appeal.