Backswing (follow-through) interference

[eagle_12]

We were having a brief discussion about backswing interference ("swings so forcefully...catcher can't catch the pitch") during our local meeting last evening. Tried looking in the book for the rule when a question was posed, but couldn't find it.

Anyone have it tagged/dog-eared for easy reference?

[UmpJM]

7.3.5F

 

JM

[Jocko]

Case 7-3-5 Situation F

Yoda beaat me to it. Go figure

Edited March 25, 2013 by Jocko

[eagle_12]

That has the batter hitting th ball. I'm talking about batter hitting the mitt so the catcher can't catch it or knocks it loose from the mitt. Any difference?

NCAA rule is 6-2-d d. If a batter swings and misses a pitch and the backswing is so forceful that it hits the catcher as the pitch is caught, or if the batter hits the ball again, the pitch shall be called a strike, the ball is dead (no interference) and no runner shall advance

Obr 6.06c (comment). If a batter strikes at a ball and misses and swings so hard he carries the bat all the way around and, in the umpire’s judgment, unintentionally hits the catcher or the ball in back of him on the backswing before the catcher has securely held the ball, it shall be called a strike only (not interference). The ball will be dead, however, and no runner shall advance on the play.

Am I to understand that for Fed ball this isn't a strike, dead ball, send runners back like in the other two codes?

[UmpJM]

eagle,

 

In OBR & NCAA, backswing/follow-through interference is simply a dead ball and runners return.

 

Under FED it is treated as BI and the batter is out.

 

Edited to add: Also see Case Play 8.4.1H .

 

JM

[noumpere]

eagle,

 

In OBR & NCAA, backswing/follow-through interference is simply a dead ball and runners return.

 

Under FED it is treated as BI and the batter is out.

 

Edited to add: Also see Case Play 8.4.1H .

 

JM

Right.  FEd says (and this might be in the case play you site) that the batter is allowed an unhindered opportunity to hit the ball but once the ball is past him hes responsible for the follow through aka backswing.

[BalkHawk]

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[BigSimonia]

FED:

What if the catcher has caught the ball and the batter's backswing contacts the mitt while the catcher is in the process of attempting a throw to 2nd?  Is that OK or am I making up a scenario that could never happen?

[BalkHawk]

FED:

What if the catcher has caught the ball and the batter's backswing contacts the mitt while the catcher is in the process of attempting a throw to 2nd? Is that OK or am I making up a scenario that could never happen?

The batter has interfered and he is out. The ball is dead and no runners may advance.

try reading this thread.

[Jocko]

Plus, if you think F2 had a good shot at retiring a runner, you can bang em both. If 2 runners were stealing during the INT and he could've gotten 1 but you're unsure where the play was going, you get the one closest to home. Bad idea, IMO unless someone fell down and was a sitting duck. But the rule is there.

[noumpere]

Plus, if you think F2 had a good shot at retiring a runner, you can bang em both. If 2 runners were stealing during the INT and he could've gotten 1 but you're unsure where the play was going, you get the one closest to home. Bad idea, IMO unless someone fell down and was a sitting duck. But the rule is there.

That first sentence is true only if it was strike three on the batter and I don't see that necessarily as part of the question being asked.

[Jocko]

Plus, if you think F2 had a good shot at retiring a runner, you can bang em both. If 2 runners were stealing during the INT and he could've gotten 1 but you're unsure where the play was going, you get the one closest to home. Bad idea, IMO unless someone fell down and was a sitting duck. But the rule is there.

That first sentence is true only if it was strike three on the batter and I don't see that necessarily as part of the question being asked.true. Good call.

[Sayhey]

If the catcher's initial throw does not retire a runner we have time out and all runners are returned to T.O.P. base.

[UMP45]

 

If the catcher's initial throw does not retire a runner we have time out and all runners are returned to T.O.P. base.

And the batter is out.

[UmpJM]

UMP45,

 

Only in FED.

 

JM

[Sayhey]

Because Fed. rules people need to justify their paycheck they come up with new rules from time to time. Sometimes they even do away with rules like wanting an umpire to call runners out for missing a base when the defense does not do their job and does not appeal the missed base.

Batter is out in Fed ball. In O.B.R. the batter is not out for backswing. You just return all runners to their time of pitch base if the catcher's initial throw does not cause a runner to be out. as soon as the initial throw does not retire a runner you have time, and return all runners.What about backswing infraction with a catcher throwing and retiring a runner in Fed. rules. Is it the same ad O. B.R.? Do we nullify the backswing in Fed. rules and leave the batter in the box and take the result on the field rather than call the batter out?

[Mike Prince]

Sometimes they even do away with rules like wanting an umpire to call runners out for missing a base when the defense does not do their job and does not appeal the missed base.

What rule set is this? The only place I have seen this is as a local speed-up rule in time limit games.

[LMSANS]

Sometimes they even do away with rules like wanting an umpire to call runners out for missing a base when the defense does not do their job and does not appeal the missed base.

What rule set is this? The only place I have seen this is as a local speed-up rule in time limit games.

Old Fed rule, still used in one of the Carolinas.

[maven]

Old Fed rule, still used in one of the Carolinas.

 

The more southerly one, last I checked.

[noumpere]

Because Fed. rules people need to justify their paycheck they come up with new rules from time to time. Sometimes they even do away with rules like wanting an umpire to call runners out for missing a base when the defense does not do their job and does not appeal the missed base.

Batter is out in Fed ball. In O.B.R. the batter is not out for backswing. You just return all runners to their time of pitch base if the catcher's initial throw does not cause a runner to be out. as soon as the initial throw does not retire a runner you have time, and return all runners.What about backswing infraction with a catcher throwing and retiring a runner in Fed. rules. Is it the same ad O. B.R.? Do we nullify the backswing in Fed. rules and leave the batter in the box and take the result on the field rather than call the batter out?

yes let the play stand.  This type of interference is the same as any other type of batter interference in HS ball.