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Jocko
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Bet y'all never knew me and Rolo starred on TV http://youtube.com/watch?feature=plpp&v=KIUp0TPQHcM :D :D :D

UmpTTS43
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He did pass the base. It was an appeal. It was an appeal on the BR missing first. Since the 3rd out was on BR before safely acquiring 1st, no runs score. Same sitch if BR misses 1st on a double. If co

gnhbua93
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Too bad for me that C.Brown and Fittske24 are going to the Atlanta one. Would be a pleasure to meet those 2 class a umpires.

zm1283

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I've been meaning to ask you guys this.  Does anyone remember who was involved in the play they showed where there was a R3 and the BR hit a ground ball, avoided the tag at first and missed the base, but was called out diving back into first on appeal?  It was one of the videos they showed when we split into groups and discussed plays.  They ended up telling us it was a force and the run shouldn't count.  Does anyone remember this one and maybe who was involved in the video so I can find it?

UmpTTS43

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Technically not a force but an out on the BR before he legally attained it. He passed the base without touching it. He has acquired it pending appeal. The action of the tag on the BR was the appeal. Once called out, no runs score.

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johnnyg08

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not b/c of the force but it basically was a missed base appeal and it was at first base and no run can score if the batter/runner is retired for the third out before legally acquiring first base correct?

Haid D' Salaami

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not b/c of the force but it basically was a missed base appeal and it was at first base and no run can score if the batter/runner is retired for the third out before legally acquiring first base correct?

It is not a force.....the BR is not forced anywhere.

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zm1283

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Yeah I realized it wasn't a force technically, but we were discussing it during the meeting so I wanted to post it here and see what everyone else thought.  johnnyg has the video.  johnny you can go ahead and post it here if you want to.  

johnnyg08

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not b/c of the force but it basically was a missed base appeal and it was at first base and no run can score if the batter/runner is retired for the third out before legally acquiring first base correct?

It is not a force.....the BR is not forced anywhere.

 

 

I know.  Just using consistent terminology from posts above.  

BRUMP

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if im not mistaken i believe the wording is "simultaneoulsy or immediatly following contact with the ball" if the player runs into something and drops the ball it is not a catch....ankiel takes 3.5 steps between contact with the ball and contact with the wall with no juggling whatsoever....i say catch

UmpTTS43

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The fielder did not demonstrate complete body control however he did demonstrate voluntary release by removing the ball from his glove with his left hand thereby satisfying criteria for a catch. If the ball had remained in his glove and then fell out after contact with the wall, it would not have been a catch. In order to have a catch, once you have secure possession of the ball, you must have complete body control or demonstrate voluntary release. You do not need both.

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johnnyg08

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I've been meaning to ask you guys this.  Does anyone remember who was involved in the play they showed where there was a R3 and the BR hit a ground ball, avoided the tag at first and missed the base, but was called out diving back into first on appeal?  It was one of the videos they showed when we split into groups and discussed plays.  They ended up telling us it was a force and the run shouldn't count.  Does anyone remember this one and maybe who was involved in the video so I can find it?

 

 

Was it an MLB clip or an NCAA clip?  Also, was it from Yeast's presentation or from the NCAA general session?  

 

I feel like it was from Yeast's presentation.  But maybe not???

Jocko

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Ok. In full speed from where the umps saw it, no catch. From camera angle/zoom, he voluntarily removed the ball from the glove with his throwing hand. I 100% agree with whatever the original call was. Could go either way in real time.

jkumpire

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Been so busy with BK and WR I have not been ion here in a while!

 

I will be in ATL this weekend, anybody want to get together, never been in ATL before, looking forward to it!

 

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