Tagging At 2nd And 3rd

[BlueKen]

Runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out. Batter hits ball to outfield. Neither R2 or R3 tag. Ball is caught. R3 scores and then defense appeals at 2nd. R2 called out. Defense does not appeal at 3rd. Team runs off the field. Does the run count?

If the team appealed at 2nd and then appealed at 3rd before running off the field. Then does run count?

Team can no longer appeal at 3rd once they leave the field, correct?

[buddywilshire]

Runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out. Batter hits ball to outfield. Neither R2 or R3 tag. Ball is caught. R3 scores and then defense appeals at 2nd. R2 called out. Defense does not appeal at 3rd. Team runs off the field. Does the run count?

If the team appealed at 2nd and then appealed at 3rd before running off the field. Then does run count?

Team can no longer appeal at 3rd once they leave the field, correct?

I'm going to say that the run counts. I have no clue about this, but I think by appealing at second and not third they are allowing that run to score.

We discussed this in a clinic the other day were the runner at third tagged up and the runner at second didn't.

[Astrosdawg07]

Run scores; 8-2-h FED . "If a runner leaves a base too soon on a caught fly ball and returns in an attempt to retag, this is considered a time play and not a force out. If the appeal is the third out, all runs scored by runners in advance of the appealed runner scored ahead of the legal appeal would count"

Edited July 9, 2010 by AChesnut
Added FED to rule cite.

[buddywilshire]

Run scores; 8-2-h. "If a runner leaves a base too soon on a caught fly ball and returns in an attempt to retag, this is considered a time play and not a force out. If the appeal is the third out, all runs scored by runners in advance of the appealed runner scored ahead of the legal appeal would count"

I was right. IT does happen once in awhile!

[Tyennie]

Rules set?? Don't think it matters - but i am not versed in FED.

Score the run, as an appeal play is not a force out. The def messed up. Now had they appealed R2 and then R3 - This is where the advantageous fourth out might rear its head. Correct - once all the infielders have left the field they can no longer appeal. Others thoughts?? ty

[Astrosdawg07]

Run scores; 8-2-h FED . "If a runner leaves a base too soon on a caught fly ball and returns in an attempt to retag, this is considered a time play and not a force out. If the appeal is the third out, all runs scored by runners in advance of the appealed runner scored ahead of the legal appeal would count"

Now with that said 8-2-i FED "An appeal may be made after the third out as long as it is made properly and the resulting appeal is an apparent fourth out."

So had they appealed to 2nd and then also appealed to third you would get the 4th out at 3rd and the run would not score if he had not tagged up.

Edited July 9, 2010 by AChesnut

[Tyennie]

AChestnut glad we are on the same field for this one. ty

[yawetag]

Score the run, as an appeal play is not a force out. The def messed up. Now had they appealed R2 and then R3 - This is where the advantageous fourth out might rear its head. Correct - once all the infielders have left the field they can no longer appeal. Others thoughts?? ty

This would be correct.

In OP, run scores. In secondary situation (where they also appealed R3), the run would not count.

[buddywilshire]

This would be correct.

In OP, run scores. In secondary situation (where they also appealed R3), the run would not count.

Would there be and advantage to getting the third out at second and then appealing for the fourth out at third? I don't see any, just wondered.

[noumpere]

Would there be and advantage to getting the third out at second and then appealing for the fourth out at third? I don't see any, just wondered.

You don't see an advantage to not having a run score?

[buddywilshire]

You don't see an advantage to not having a run score?

I worded that wrong. I mean third out at third, then fourth out at second. This whole fourth out thing is new to me.

[Tyennie]

I worded that wrong. I mean third out at third, then fourth out at second. This whole fourth out thing is new to me.

No advantage here outside of the fact the third out on R3 negates the run, so appealing to 2B for R2 is a moot point.

[mstaylor]

The only reason to appeal for a fourth out is to negate runs.

[yawetag]

Would there be and advantage to getting the third out at second and then appealing for the fourth out at third? I don't see any, just wondered.

Not if you know both are outs. Save everyone some time (and headache explaining to the OC what an "advantageous fourth out" is) and go for the R3 to start.

[zm1283]

Most coaches I know will be watching R3 to see if he leaves early and not paying much attention to R2, so the third out would be made at third base and R2 leaving early would be irrelevant.

[mazzamouth]

I'm going to say that the run counts. I have no clue about this, but I think by appealing at second and not third they are allowing that run to score.

We discussed this in a clinic the other day were the runner at third tagged up and the runner at second didn't.

it is amazing what happens when people read the rule book... they learn the rules..LOL try it sometime and let me know who it works out..