Taking plays in foul Territory?

[mazzamouth]

Normally, I would agree with you, but not in this case. He had the perfect angle. He was 90° to the touch by F3 and the BR. If he stayed where you suggested, I think he would have been straight-lined by F3. His problem, in my opinion, is that he was moving when the play occurred. How often are we taught to PAUSE, read, react?

What's funny is that Jerry Lane did the EXACT SAME THING the day before -- with the exact same teams (video). In his case as well, I think he would have been blocked if he'd remained in fair territory, or even a step or two off. And, just like Runge, he was moving when the play was made.

If you stay in fair ground, the players will move around you, I think you get a good look at the play..in the video before, if runge stays fair he gets a good look, also what if the runner was called out, and the 1st baseman just missed the bag, you will not be able to see that.

[mazzamouth]

Normally, I would agree with you, but not in this case. He had the perfect angle. He was 90° to the touch by F3 and the BR. If he stayed where you suggested, I think he would have been straight-lined by F3. His problem, in my opinion, is that he was moving when the play occurred. How often are we taught to PAUSE, read, react?

What's funny is that Jerry Lane did the EXACT SAME THING the day before -- with the exact same teams (video). In his case as well, I think he would have been blocked if he'd remained in fair territory, or even a step or two off. And, just like Runge, he was moving when the play was made.

Also there are not really teaching the 90* rule that much any more... they want you to get a good angle, but most of the time you can not get 90*

[Umpire in Chief]

I have to say while the call was missed (and it took slo mo replay to convince me that he missed it) he got to where he had the best look possible. Yes, it would have been better if he could have been set, but that play just blew up.

I think anywhere fair he might not have been able to see. I'm not too worried about being in the way.

[yawetag]

If you stay in fair ground, the players will move around you, I think you get a good look at the play..in the video before, if runge stays fair he gets a good look, also what if the runner was called out, and the 1st baseman just missed the bag, you will not be able to see that.

mazza, did you see a call from earlier in the inning? It was the same situation; he setup a step foul and almost got knocked over by the BR, who was running full speed to beat the play at the bag.

Saying the players will move is incorrect. Their first priority is making the play; if you're in the way, tough.

[mazzamouth]

mazza, did you see a call from earlier in the inning? It was the same situation; he setup a step foul and almost got knocked over by the BR, who was running full speed to beat the play at the bag.

Saying the players will move is incorrect. Their first priority is making the play; if you're in the way, tough.

thats cause he set up in foul ground.. stay fair I wish I could draw a diagram for you..Bu on the line, BR will turn toward foul, and F1 or F3 will stay in fair and peel a little toward 2nd..... Look I think I saw you signed up for the Mid America clinic right?..

i went tot he 3 man clinic last sep.. and during that clinic one of the instructors Joe Burelson who is a Supervisor to AAA umpires, showed us about 10 different looks at taking a play in fair/foul.. it really is amazing once you see it your self.

Stay fair, quit being lazing and going foul is my point, who hives a rats a$$ if there is 3 other umpires, or the PU is gonna take the BR into 2nd on a over throw.

[Thunderheads]

Stay fair, quit being lazing and going foul is my point......

I'm assuming this is a typo, and your'e saying going foul is being lazy? Regardless, ... if you're bustin' your butt to attempt to get the best view you can (right or wrong), ..."going foul"wouldn't/shouldn't be considered 'lazy' ( IF that's whats being inferred);)

[Mr Umpire]

I don't see it as being lazy. Bad choice? Maybe, but not lazy. Especially since he did his best to get where he did as quick as he could.

The main problem I see is that he was still moving when the play happened. He wasn't in a set position and that contributed IMO. He may have still missed it but that definitely is a possible factor in this case.

This may not be a good example of when to go in foul territory. But, it is a split second decision of where to go. And, once made, needs to be followed through to get the best look possible. May have been a bad choice, I don't know since I don't have his vantage point. But, he made it and did his best to follow through with it. That is all that can be asked at that point. Before that, a better decision can be made.

I think fair territory is best but that is an opinion only. Which is what many of the mechanics are. Whose opinion counts the most.

[dumbdumb]

Apparently there are two camps on this type of call. Jim Joyce stayed fair and kicked the call. Layne and Runge went foul and kicked the call.

What is it called when the umpire bust's his ass and gets into the perfect position that everyone agrees with, has great timing, concentrates and get's a great look at the play and still kicks the call?

[mazzamouth]

Apparently there are two camps on this type of call. Jim Joyce stayed fair and kicked the call. Layne and Runge went foul and kicked the call.

What is it called when the umpire bust's his ass and gets into the perfect position that everyone agrees with, has great timing, concentrates and get's a great look at the play and still kicks the call?

Like Joyce said he had a great angle, he just "kicked the SH*# out of it"