2012 NCAA Test

[yawetag]

We were told by a strong authority that we were to assume an appeal on this question which would lead me to believe the answer would be A. For the life of me, I can't help but answer D on this question.

What say you?

Question #17

The bases are loaded with two outs. B1 hits a home run over the fence. R2 misses third on his way to the plate. All other bases are touched properly.

a.No runs are scored.

b.Three runs are scored.

c.Two runs are scored.

d.Four runs are scored.

If there's an appeal, no runs scored, as the third out was on an appeal of a runner missing the base they were forced to.

If there wasn't an appeal, all four runs score.

[zm1283]

We were told by a strong authority that we were to assume an appeal on this question which would lead me to believe the answer would be A. For the life of me, I can't help but answer D on this question.

What say you?

Question #17

The bases are loaded with two outs. B1 hits a home run over the fence. R2 misses third on his way to the plate. All other bases are touched properly.

a.No runs are scored.

b.Three runs are scored.

c.Two runs are scored.

d.Four runs are scored.

This is what I'm talking about with this test. I guess we're supposed to assume the defense appealed R2 missing third?

[UmpTTS43]

We were told by a strong authority that we were to assume an appeal on this question which would lead me to believe the answer would be A. For the life of me, I can't help but answer D on this question.

What say you?

Question #17

The bases are loaded with two outs. B1 hits a home run over the fence. R2 misses third on his way to the plate. All other bases are touched properly.

a.No runs are scored.

b.Three runs are scored.

c.Two runs are scored.

d.Four runs are scored.

There are similar questions on the test that say that a valid appeal was made. Just answer the question as asked.

[UmpTTS43]

There is another question that says, bases loaded, 2 outs. B1 hits home run. R1 misses second. Defense appeals R2 missed second. How many runs score?

4, 3, 2 or 0

Why do their errors lead to my wrong answers? Just wondering.

[johnnyg08]

I know it's crazy. I answered four runs score out of protest even though I got a tip that we're to ASSume appeal even though there is ZERO mention of the word appeal in the question. Annoying to say the least. I still easily passed, but it's hard when I try to get 100 on the test and they make it impossible.

[johnnyg08]

Why do their errors lead to my wrong answers? Just wondering.

Exactly.

[KyleUmp]

This was the most ambiguous and least consistent (in terms of style of the questions & answers) that the NCAA Baseball Committee has put out.

[Haid D' Salaami]

you guys are making this test alot harder than it needs to be..

yes just assume the defense appealed...

I scored really well on the test.. them I helped a buddy answer all 60 of his and he got a 100%..so just read the rules...you'll get them.

[UmpTTS43]

you guys are making this test alot harder than it needs to be..

yes just assume the defense appealed...

I scored really well on the test.. them I helped a buddy answer all 60 of his and he got a 100%..so just read the rules...you'll get them.

Not to be rude, IMO that is the wrong outlook to take. They want us to be vigilant and pay attention to details. They should practice this as well. I answered as asked. If they wanted us to assume an appeal on questions where it wasn't specifically stated, then I can assume other senarios in other questions that would make all my answers right. They should, as they have done in the past, either give credit for or eliminate ambigous questions.

Same senario with the new mechanics. We get told to do something one way at the national meetings, then when the new CCA says to do another and we call them on that, I get the response to just follow the CCA. Get on the same page!

[johnnyg08]

you guys are making this test alot harder than it needs to be..

yes just assume the defense appealed...

I scored really well on the test.. them I helped a buddy answer all 60 of his and he got a 100%..so just read the rules...you'll get them.

Not to be rude, IMO that is the wrong outlook to take. They want us to be vigilant and pay attention to details. They should practice this as well. I answered as asked. If they wanted us to assume an appeal on questions where it wasn't specifically stated, then I can assume other senarios in other questions that would make all my answers right. They should, as they have done in the past, either give credit for or eliminate ambigous questions.

Same senario with the new mechanics. We get told to do something one way at the national meetings, then when the new CCA says to do another and we call them on that, I get the response to just follow the CCA. Get on the same page!

I agree. On the appeal question state that they appealed. Not just assume an appeal because the previous questions dealt with appeal. Dumb.

[TommyJeansDE]

Help please.....

Should I assume that the on deck hitter is in the on deck circle which would only mean 1 base for R1 once the ball thrown by the pitcher enters dead ball territory?

R1, one out. The pitcher delivers a wild pitch that rolls toward the offensive team's dugout. The on-deck hitter, obviously unaware of the situation, is accidentally struck by the ball, which stops rolling after the contact.

[KyleUmp]

You can assume the on-deck hitter is in the on-deck cirlce.

[KyleUmp]

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Question #55

The catcher and his coach are engaged in a heated argument in the dugout. The coach sends his starting catcher to the locker room. On his way to the third-base coaching box, the coach tells the

PU that S1 will bat in place of the starting catcher in the fourth spot in the order if S1 comes to bat in that inning.

a. S1 is now "in the game, " and the PU should write his name in the lineup at that time. When he shows up to bat, the PU can point him in the game for the benefit of the opponents and the official scorer. The substitution becomes official when the PU writes his name on the lineup card.

b. S1 is now in the game, and the original catcher is out of the game when the coach announces his substitution to the PU between innings.

c. The coach cannot project a substitution. The coach must wait until the starting catcher's spot in the batting order comes up before announcing his substitution to the PU.

d. S1 is not considered officially in the lineup as the fourth batter in that inning. However, should the coach change his mind before the fourth batter comes to the plate that inning and send S2 to bat, S1 is no longer eligible to enter the contest.

According the 2012 Newsletter - Test Your Rules Knowledge Quiz - they have this very question and they say, verbatim, the answer is B.

Did anybody else catch that?

[eagle_12]

I have a question in regards to a video play that I had in which the batter hits a little humpback fly ball to F3. F3 then catches the ball off his shoelaces then runs over and touches first base.

The answers were something like, a) get a better angle, b)have better timing,wait for voluntary and intentional release, c) excellent play to take from foul ground, d) both A+C

Correct answer was "B" with the explanation following as 2012 CCA Manual

I can't find my 2012 Manual, it disappeared to somewhere. Did infield fly ball coverage change in any # umpire system? If F3 is coming forward to catch a fly ball, the HPU has that call according to my 2011 Manual (and any other one that I've seen)

In the video they show the HPU bust out trailing the runner and then they change the camera shot and the HPU is never shown. Towards the end of the play, U1 saunters out and gives a lazy hammer, while F3 retreats towards the bag.

My take is that this should be "D" in which the HPU should get a better angle “Aâ€, which in this case would be to tail off into foul territory “Câ€, as to not get straight lined. The "correct" answer of "B" is in regards to U1 (only umpire that is shown giving a mechanic involving timing) who, unless a change has been made, mechanically should not be involved.

Thoughts?

[UmpTTS43]

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Question #55

The catcher and his coach are engaged in a heated argument in the dugout. The coach sends his starting catcher to the locker room. On his way to the third-base coaching box, the coach tells the

PU that S1 will bat in place of the starting catcher in the fourth spot in the order if S1 comes to bat in that inning.

a. S1 is now "in the game, " and the PU should write his name in the lineup at that time. When he shows up to bat, the PU can point him in the game for the benefit of the opponents and the official scorer. The substitution becomes official when the PU writes his name on the lineup card.

b. S1 is now in the game, and the original catcher is out of the game when the coach announces his substitution to the PU between innings.

c. The coach cannot project a substitution. The coach must wait until the starting catcher's spot in the batting order comes up before announcing his substitution to the PU.

d. S1 is not considered officially in the lineup as the fourth batter in that inning. However, should the coach change his mind before the fourth batter comes to the plate that inning and send S2 to bat, S1 is no longer eligible to enter the contest.

According the 2012 Newsletter - Test Your Rules Knowledge Quiz - they have this very question and they say, verbatim, the answer is B.

Did anybody else catch that?

In the newsletter, all of the other answers were wrong. In this instance, although a and b are correct, a is more right than b.

[johnnyg08]

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Question #55

The catcher and his coach are engaged in a heated argument in the dugout. The coach sends his starting catcher to the locker room. On his way to the third-base coaching box, the coach tells the

PU that S1 will bat in place of the starting catcher in the fourth spot in the order if S1 comes to bat in that inning.

a. S1 is now "in the game, " and the PU should write his name in the lineup at that time. When he shows up to bat, the PU can point him in the game for the benefit of the opponents and the official scorer. The substitution becomes official when the PU writes his name on the lineup card.

b. S1 is now in the game, and the original catcher is out of the game when the coach announces his substitution to the PU between innings.

c. The coach cannot project a substitution. The coach must wait until the starting catcher's spot in the batting order comes up before announcing his substitution to the PU.

d. S1 is not considered officially in the lineup as the fourth batter in that inning. However, should the coach change his mind before the fourth batter comes to the plate that inning and send S2 to bat, S1 is no longer eligible to enter the contest.

According the 2012 Newsletter - Test Your Rules Knowledge Quiz - they have this very question and they say, verbatim, the answer is B.

Did anybody else catch that?

Yes, in fact I wrote "pre season guide" on my test as my citation.

[johnnyg08]

I have a question in regards to a video play that I had in which the batter hits a little humpback fly ball to F3. F3 then catches the ball off his shoelaces then runs over and touches first base.

The answers were something like, a) get a better angle, b)have better timing,wait for voluntary and intentional release, c) excellent play to take from foul ground, d) both A+C

Correct answer was "B" with the explanation following as 2012 CCA Manual

I can't find my 2012 Manual, it disappeared to somewhere. Did infield fly ball coverage change in any # umpire system? If F3 is coming forward to catch a fly ball, the HPU has that call according to my 2011 Manual (and any other one that I've seen)

In the video they show the HPU bust out trailing the runner and then they change the camera shot and the HPU is never shown. Towards the end of the play, U1 saunters out and gives a lazy hammer, while F3 retreats towards the bag.

My take is that this should be "D" in which the HPU should get a better angle “Aâ€, which in this case would be to tail off into foul territory “Câ€, as to not get straight lined. The "correct" answer of "B" is in regards to U1 (only umpire that is shown giving a mechanic involving timing) who, unless a change has been made, mechanically should not be involved.

Thoughts?

I think the key point in that question was that U1 was calling the guy out at 1B before F3 even touched the base.

[johnnyg08]

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Question #55

The catcher and his coach are engaged in a heated argument in the dugout. The coach sends his starting catcher to the locker room. On his way to the third-base coaching box, the coach tells the

PU that S1 will bat in place of the starting catcher in the fourth spot in the order if S1 comes to bat in that inning.

a. S1 is now "in the game, " and the PU should write his name in the lineup at that time. When he shows up to bat, the PU can point him in the game for the benefit of the opponents and the official scorer. The substitution becomes official when the PU writes his name on the lineup card.

b. S1 is now in the game, and the original catcher is out of the game when the coach announces his substitution to the PU between innings.

c. The coach cannot project a substitution. The coach must wait until the starting catcher's spot in the batting order comes up before announcing his substitution to the PU.

d. S1 is not considered officially in the lineup as the fourth batter in that inning. However, should the coach change his mind before the fourth batter comes to the plate that inning and send S2 to bat, S1 is no longer eligible to enter the contest.

According the 2012 Newsletter - Test Your Rules Knowledge Quiz - they have this very question and they say, verbatim, the answer is B.

Did anybody else catch that?

In the newsletter, all of the other answers were wrong. In this instance, although a and b are correct, a is more right than b.

That makes sense...I guess. But why change the question again? That part is pointless.

[zm1283]

I too got both of these wrong that eagle_12 and Kyle are talking about. The one with the lineup card is ridiculous. Why does one answer need to be "More correct" than another?

The video question with F3 catching the ball is unreal. I thought they were asking about the BU getting a better angle in foul territory for the catch on the fly ball. I didn't think they were talking about F3 going to step on the base.

[Haid D' Salaami]

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Question #55

The catcher and his coach are engaged in a heated argument in the dugout. The coach sends his starting catcher to the locker room. On his way to the third-base coaching box, the coach tells the

PU that S1 will bat in place of the starting catcher in the fourth spot in the order if S1 comes to bat in that inning.

a. S1 is now "in the game, " and the PU should write his name in the lineup at that time. When he shows up to bat, the PU can point him in the game for the benefit of the opponents and the official scorer. The substitution becomes official when the PU writes his name on the lineup card.

b. S1 is now in the game, and the original catcher is out of the game when the coach announces his substitution to the PU between innings.

c. The coach cannot project a substitution. The coach must wait until the starting catcher's spot in the batting order comes up before announcing his substitution to the PU.

d. S1 is not considered officially in the lineup as the fourth batter in that inning. However, should the coach change his mind before the fourth batter comes to the plate that inning and send S2 to bat, S1 is no longer eligible to enter the contest.

According the 2012 Newsletter - Test Your Rules Knowledge Quiz - they have this very question and they say, verbatim, the answer is B.

Did anybody else catch that?

my test said the answer was "A"

[UmpTTS43]

I too got both of these wrong that eagle_12 and Kyle are talking about. The one with the lineup card is ridiculous. Why does one answer need to be "More correct" than another?

The video question with F3 catching the ball is unreal. I thought they were asking about the BU getting a better angle in foul territory for the catch on the fly ball. I didn't think they were talking about F3 going to step on the base.

PU has catch/no catch with F3 in and to the infield. BU has to the line and back. I think that's what would eliminate BU getting into position for the catch.

[zm1283]

I too got both of these wrong that eagle_12 and Kyle are talking about. The one with the lineup card is ridiculous. Why does one answer need to be "More correct" than another?

The video question with F3 catching the ball is unreal. I thought they were asking about the BU getting a better angle in foul territory for the catch on the fly ball. I didn't think they were talking about F3 going to step on the base.

PU has catch/no catch with F3 in and to the infield. BU has to the line and back. I think that's what would eliminate BU getting into position for the catch.

I did think of that, but I guess I just didn't watch the video closely enough to figure out what they were really asking about. Surely they could come up with a better video question than that one. At least one that is less ambiguous.

[zm1283]

Another one I got wrong that I'm having trouble figuring out:

R1, no outs. The batter hits a line drive back to the pitcher, which deflects off the pitcher's glove and rolls in the direction of the second baseman who is in a position to field the ball. But the ball strikes R1 (unintentional contact) as he is running to second.

a. B/R is declared out.

R1 returns to first.

b. "Time" is called.

R1 is awarded second and the BR is awarded first.

c. The ball is alive and in play.

d.

R1 is declared out. BR is awarded first.

I answered C, but they say the correct answer is D.

My reference is 6-1-c:

Art. c.

If a fair-hit ball passes by all infielders or it is touched by a fielder and then touches a runner or an umpire, the ball is in play and the runner is not out. If said ball should touch the runner or umpire while still in flight, thereafter it shall be considered a ground ball. It cannot be caught as a fly ball.

So what am I missing? The question says the ball deflected off F1's glove (Touched by a fielder), then strikes R1 (Touches a runner)....ball should be in play and runner not out.

On the test, they reference 6-2-e, which says:

Art. e.

A fair-hit ball touches a runner in fair territory before touching an infielder or an umpire and before passing all infielders, other than the pitcher. Runner(s) advance if forced (see 8-5-k);

PENALTY for e. - The ball is dead and the runner hit by the batted ball is declared out. The batter is awarded first base with a single.

That deals with a fair batted ball touching a runner before touching an infielder, which is not what happened in the question. What am I missing?

[johnnyg08]

F4 had a chance to field the ball and make a play. R1 is out, not because he was hit w/ the batted ball but because he interfered w/ F4's chance to make a play.

[UmpTTS43]

This interp differs from OBR.