High School study guide - FPSR responsibilities

[sdix00]

FED Mechanics:

The plate umpire always has the responsibility of calling interference at 2nd base on a force-play slide violation.

True or False.

I answered false because of the "always".

For those who do this study guide and take the test every year, is the writing exact or is it just poor writing?

[Kevin Finnerty]

FED Mechanics:

The plate umpire always has the responsibility of calling interference at 2nd base on a force-play slide violation.

True or False.

I answered false because of the "always".

For those who do this study guide and take the test every year, is the writing exact or is it just poor writing?

The answer is B, poor writing.

There are at least 10 questions every year that are so poorly written that a literate person can't be sure what the answer is. One year there was a True/False question that was written so ridiculously poorly that the answer was either true, false or neither true nor false.

So you need to reach into the mind of the horses - - - writer and try to discern his intent behind the poorly written question. (It's really true, but the answer to what he meant to ask is false.)

[johnnyg08]

It's false.

If as BU you see it...are you going to wait for PU to call even though it happened right in front of you? Everything stops on FPSR so you answer false on this one for sure.

Good call on the "always" good test reading.

[JaxRolo]

Won't PU always have the responsibility but if BU sees it he can call it?

[Kevin Finnerty]

Usually that's the BU only when the play to first isn't completed.

[mstaylor]

In a two man they have concurrent responsibility until the BU turns to first. At that point the PU stays with it, so it is definitely false.

[sdix00]

Awesome.  Thanks for the history and feedback.      I can only do the study guide online once.   I really wanted to get 100% on the study guide but that may be impossible.

Maybe I can nail the test.

[johnnyg08]

Won't PU always have the responsibility but if BU sees it he can call it?

Can't read into the question. Answer it as it is asked.

[JaxRolo]

Won't <acronym title='plate umpire'>PU</acronym> always have the responsibility but if <acronym title='Base umpire'>BU</acronym> sees it he can call it?

Can't read into the question. Answer it as it is asked.

Huh? Clarify please.

[johnnyg08]

Won't <acronym title='plate umpire'>PU</acronym> always have the responsibility but if <acronym title='Base umpire'>BU</acronym> sees it he can call it?

Can't read into the question. Answer it as it is asked.

Huh? Clarify please.

I guess what I'm saying is that reading more into the question will confuse you an cause you to get them wrong. You answer the question exactly how it's written and there's no doubt that this question is False. That's all I'm saying.

[dumbdumb]

FPSR needs to be added to acronym list.

[Umpire in Chief]

I thought it was ... adding now.

[Umpire in Chief]

Done.

Remember FPSR can also be at 3rd, I think there was a question about that a few years ago.

[sdix00]

Done.

Remember FPSR can also be at 3rd, I think there was a question about that a few years ago.

And HP

[Umpire in Chief]

^^ absolutely ^^

[cbiesecker]

This thread has been dormant for awhile, but I have a question about the FPSR at home. I am reading the FED "Rules by Topic", and one of the case plays isn't clear on the penalties.

2.32.2 SITUATION C: On a force play slide at the plate, the runner slides over (beyond the plate) and makes contact with

F2

. Is the runner guilty of violating the force play slide rule? RULING: Yes. A runner is expected to stop short of the back edge of home plate, the same as he would at other bases. Had the runner not made contact or altered the play, there would have been no violation.

The case play doesn't go on to explain the penalties. Based on my understanding I believe that the runner at home is out, the run doesn't score, and the BR is out as well. Is that correct?

[johnnyg08]

How would you call it at 2B?

Same thing here.

[sdix00]

Correct.

One thing that helps me to remember the penalty, is that I recognize it as a unique Sitch where a run can be taken off the board after the runner scored.

Consider a similar Sitch but remove the force. R3 scores but then has MC on F2. You can still call INT and call out the BR, but you must score the run.

The FPSR is a special condition that allows you to get 2 outs and remove the run. The rule stands alone, apart from other situations.

[johnnyg08]

I was too lazy to look it up so I'm glad you did because I knew there were instances where the run could count.

[mstaylor]

The problem with the FPSR is many get so used to it being looked for and called at second, they forget that t can happen at second, third or home. The enforcement is the same at any base, call both runners out.

[johnnyg08]

The problem with the FPSR is many get so used to it being looked for and called at second, they forget that t can happen at second, third or home. The enforcement is the same at any base, call both runners out.

Exactly.

[cbiesecker]

Thanks for the responses. I understand the FPSR a bit better now.

[JaxRolo]

Just so I understand. Do you always call the BR out?

[cbiesecker]

At this point, that's the understanding that I have. Even if there is no possible play on the BR when a FPSR violation occurs, the player in violation and the BR are both out.

[johnnyg08]

Has to be willful and deliberate in OBR, but for FED yes, and immediate dead ball.