Bunted ball hits batter

[Pops]

Fed game. Batter bunts as he is moving forward in the box. The ball hits the ground and bounces up hitting the batter as he is moving toward first base. The plate ump calls him out because one foot was apparently out of the batters box when the contact occurred. Is this the right call? I couldn't find any rule in the Fed rule book or case book which addresses a batted ball, only when a batter hits a ball.

[mstaylor]

If the batter is contacted by a batted ball while in fair then he is out.

[blp79]

Fed game. Batter bunts as he is moving forward in the box. The ball hits the ground and bounces up hitting the batter as he is moving toward first base. The plate ump calls him out because one foot was apparently out of the batters box when the contact occurred. Is this the right call? I couldn't find any rule in the Fed rule book or case book which addresses a batted ball, only when a batter hits a ball.

Batter is out 8-4-2k

[DirtyDawg]

Is the batter not supposed to have both feet out of the box to be considered out of the box?

[mstaylor]

Now you have a much greyer question. I believe you do but am not sure it is the rules, that will take some looking. However, the likelyhood that he has one foot in front of the plate and one foot on the ground in the box is slim. Most likely that trail foot is already off the ground so then he would be out.

[Pops]

Is the batter not supposed to have both feet out of the box to be considered out of the box?

To clarify my OP, the batted ball is in fair territory and the (right-handed)batter has one foot out of the box because he has run up on the bunt attempt. Is he out when the ball hits him (this is accidental) or is he still considered to be in the batters box, thus a dead ball?

[noumpere]

Is the batter not supposed to have both feet out of the box to be considered out of the box?

See 8.4.1B -- if either foot is entirely out of the batter's box, then the batter is out if hit by a fair batted ball.

[BrianC14]

See 8.4.1B -- if either foot is entirely out of the batter's box, then the batter is out if hit by a fair batted ball.

Say what?

That rule has nothing to do with a batter's foot or the box.

8-4-1B reads:

The batter-runner is out when:

B. his fair hit or foul (other than a foul tip which is not a third strike) is caught by a fielder, or such catch is prevented by a spectator reaching into the playing field.

[BrianC14]

To clarify my OP, the batted ball is in fair territory and the (right-handed)batter has one foot out of the box because he has run up on the bunt attempt. Is he out when the ball hits him (this is accidental) or is he still considered to be in the batters box, thus a dead ball?

Yes, he is out when the ball hits him if he has one foot out of the box.

If he were still in the box when the ball hits him, it is a foul ball.

[UmpJM]

Say what?

That rule has nothing to do with a batter's foot or the box.

8-4-1B reads:

Brian,

noumpere specified Case Play 8.4.1B - which is probative for the sitch.

Not Rule 8-4-1b.

JM

[Pops]

Yes, he is out when the ball hits him if he has one foot out of the box.

If he were still in the box when the ball hits him, it is a foul ball.

Where are you finding that rule???

[JaxRolo]

I thought I read somewhere that if one foot is out of the batters box and he contacts the pitched ball with the bat he was our whether fair or foul?

[BrianC14]

Where are you finding that rule???

First, ask yourself this question:

If a batter has one foot on the ground completely out of the box, is he considered to be in or out of the box?

And if he were to hit the ball with that one foot out of the box, what is the ruling? (What is the penalty)?

Now a second question to ask yourself:

A batter becomes a batter-runner when he hits the ball into fair territory... what would happen if he were, say, 1/4 of the way up the line, and his own batted ball touched him before passing a fielder ? When that happens, what is the ruling? (What is the penalty)?

And the answer to your question

Where are you finding that rule???

is on page 53 of the FED Baseball Rules book. ;) Edited April 15, 2010 by BrianC14

[BrianC14]

I thought I read somewhere that if one foot is out of the batters box and he contacts the pitched ball with the bat he was our whether fair or foul?

That's a different situation. That's an illegally batted ball, and yes, he'd be out for that.

In this question, he has batted (bunted) the ball, and the ball has now hit him while he has one foot on the ground completely out of the box.

[yawetag]

Fed Rule Book:

8-4-1d2: The batter-runner is out when: (d) after hitting or bunting a ball, he intentionally contacts the ball with the bat a second time in fair or foul territory. The ball is dead and no runner(s) advance. (2) If the bat and ball accidentally come in contact with each other a second time while the batter is holding the bat in the batter's box, it is a foul ball.

Fed Case Book:

8.4.1b: B1 squares to bunt and hits the pitch. The batted ball bounces off the plate and hits B1's (a) leg or, (B) bat a second time while B1 is holding the bat in the batter's box (no foot is entirely outside the batter's box)

RULING: In (a), it is a foul ball. In (B), the ball is foul unless, in the umpire's judgment, the ball was contacted intentionally, in which case the ball would be dead and B1 declared out.

In the OP, the batter-runner's foot was entirely outside the box when the ball was accidentally hit a second time. Therefore, he's out of the batter's box and will be called out. Runners return.

[BrianC14]

Fed Rule Book:

8-4-1d2: The batter-runner is out when: (d) after hitting or bunting a ball, he intentionally contacts the ball with the bat a second time in fair or foul territory. The ball is dead and no runner(s) advance. (2) If the bat and ball accidentally come in contact with each other a second time while the batter is holding the bat in the batter's box, it is a foul ball.

Fed Case Book:

8.4.1b: B1 squares to bunt and hits the pitch. The batted ball bounces off the plate and hits B1's (a) leg or, (B) bat a second time while B1 is holding the bat in the batter's box (no foot is entirely outside the batter's box)

RULING: In (a), it is a foul ball. In (B), the ball is foul unless, in the umpire's judgment, the ball was contacted intentionally, in which case the ball would be dead and B1 declared out.

In the OP, the batter-runner's foot was entirely outside the box when the ball was accidentally hit a second time. Therefore, he's out of the batter's box and will be called out. Runners return.

The correct rule for this is 8-4-2K. The batter has hit the ball, (he's now a runner) and the ball hits him in fair territory.

[yawetag]

The correct rule for this is 8-4-2K. The batter has hit the ball, (he's now a runner) and the ball hits him in fair territory.

I respectfully disagree.

Fed 2-7-3: A batter-runner is a player who has finished a time at bat until he is put out or until playing action ends.

Batter is a batter-runner until the end of the play. 8-4-2k is for someone who was a runner at the TOP. 8-4-1d2 is for a batter-runner.

If a batter is never considered a batter-runner, why even have specific rules for him?

[BrianC14]

I respectfully disagree.

Fed 2-7-3: A batter-runner is a player who has finished a time at bat until he is put out or until playing action ends.

Batter is a batter-runner until the end of the play. 8-4-2k is for someone who was a runner at the TOP. 8-4-1d2 is for a batter-runner.

If a batter is never considered a batter-runner, why even have specific rules for him?

Then show us the rule that says he's out if his fair bunted ball hits him when he's out of the batter's box. (Since we've already seen the ruling on what happens if the ball hits him while in the box).

[yawetag]

Then show us the rule that says he's out if his fair bunted ball hits him when he's out of the batter's box. (Since we've already seen the ruling on what happens if the ball hits him while in the box).

You're right:

2-30-2: A runner is a player of the team at bat who has finished his time at bat and has not yet been put out. The term includes the batter-runner and also any runner who occupies a base.

He's still the batter-runner, but the runner portion of 8-4 applies to him (along with the batter-runner portion).

[BrianC14]

You're right:

2-30-2: A runner is a player of the team at bat who has finished his time at bat and has not yet been put out. The term includes the batter-runner and also any runner who occupies a base.

He's still the batter-runner, but the runner portion of 8-4 applies to him (along with the batter-runner portion).

There you go. 8-4-2k applies to R1, R2, R3, and also the batter/RUNNER. If he gets hit by his own batted ball, he's out (provided he's placed at least one foot out of the box).

[MCLEOD36]

Reminds me of the time, Bri called a home run for a batter runner.... I go Bri, how did you call that...He goes...well...He hit the ball....I go how can a batter runner hit a ball, unless he hits in with his body and then he would be out..>LOL

[goody14]

 

Is the batter not supposed to have both feet out of the box to be considered out of the box?

See 8.4.1B -- if either foot is entirely out of the batter's box, then the batter is out if hit by a fair batted ball.

 

Blast from the past (I actually used the search functions)....

 

I read 8.4.1. B the same way as the poster above.  

 

But, I saw a 2015 NFHS Rules Presentation (from the Facebook FED page) that now states differently.  A batter who gets hit by his batted ball with one foot in and one foot out of the box is not out.  It is a foul ball.  8.4.1B remains in the new book unchanged. 

 

This thread is from 2010, did this rule change before now?

 

I am confused.  I suppose both feet have to be out of the box to get this out.

[JaxRolo]

How do I add an attachment on here?

[jjskitours]

 

 

Is the batter not supposed to have both feet out of the box to be considered out of the box?

See 8.4.1B -- if either foot is entirely out of the batter's box, then the batter is out if hit by a fair batted ball.

 

Blast from the past (I actually used the search functions)....

 

I read 8.4.1. B the same way as the poster above.  

 

But, I saw a 2015 NFHS Rules Presentation (from the Facebook FED page) that now states differently.  A batter who gets hit by his batted ball with one foot in and one foot out of the box is not out.  It is a foul ball.  8.4.1B remains in the new book unchanged. 

 

This thread is from 2010, did this rule change before now?

 

I am confused.  I suppose both feet have to be out of the box to get this out.

 

How can I get the 2015 NFHS Rules Presentation you have noted

[goody14]

 

 

 

Is the batter not supposed to have both feet out of the box to be considered out of the box?

See 8.4.1B -- if either foot is entirely out of the batter's box, then the batter is out if hit by a fair batted ball.

 

Blast from the past (I actually used the search functions)....

 

I read 8.4.1. B the same way as the poster above.  

 

But, I saw a 2015 NFHS Rules Presentation (from the Facebook FED page) that now states differently.  A batter who gets hit by his batted ball with one foot in and one foot out of the box is not out.  It is a foul ball.  8.4.1B remains in the new book unchanged. 

 

This thread is from 2010, did this rule change before now?

 

I am confused.  I suppose both feet have to be out of the box to get this out.

 

How can I get the 2015 NFHS Rules Presentation you have noted

 

It was posted to Jax's FED Facebook Group.