when is it too early too toss?

[BT_Blue]

When is it too early too toss a manager from a game? Let me summarize the situation;

I was working a L.L. 11u tournament game tonight; its a round robin tournament that started last friday night and ive seen both of these teams already. Home team's coaches are nothing but class, i wish all teams were like them. The visitors on the other hand have done nothing but give headaches to everyone the whole tourney. The last time i had the visiting team they argued that i "blew " a call, with that said i love when coaches can only quote half a rule when they try and argue and forget about the parts that would go against their case, so needless to say there was no blown call. Before the start of the game we call the managers over for the ground rules like always and before we can even start the manager starts in with "so do you want to admit know that you were wrong the other night" my response was "so do you want to stay and watch this game from your bench?" coaches response " as soon as you say your wrong ill drop it" my response "Your gone" and tossed him. Like you predicted he went off like a rocket saying he cant be tossed before the game starts and lineups are exchanged. For this tourney they swap lineups in before they start infield and we never see them so that argument was null in void. That enlies my question though; there was nothing wrong with me tossing him before the first pitch was there?

Ask Earl Weaver if you can tossed at the plate meeting. Good toss but listen to UIC's advice on response. The coach was going to get tossed anyway but it will make less like you are baiting him.

Favorite one with Weaver was Luciano dumping him before lineups were exchanged... pretty much told Weaver to turn around and go back to the dugout. That he didnt want to hear from him today. HAHAHA!

Also there is a clip, from I want to say the 1985 World Series, when the manager walked out with a videotape of the controversial play from the previous day to the plate meeting. Got dumped as soon as he took it out of his pocket. (cant find it on youtube but it was on MLB Network's 50 Greatest Ejections of All Time)

[cuban]

I had a partner who should have dumped the coach in the parking lot before the game. He didn't do it. I still bring it up whenever we work together.

[cyclonehokiece]

I had a partner who should have dumped the coach in the parking lot before the game. He didn't do it. I still bring it up whenever we work together.

In some areas, we are powerless to this. Our juristiction has not started. All we can do is file an incident report.

[BT_Blue]

I had a partner who should have dumped the coach in the parking lot before the game. He didn't do it. I still bring it up whenever we work together.

In some areas, we are powerless to this. Our juristiction has not started. All we can do is file an incident report.

I believe this is what FED has started this year. Its usually after the game this comes into play but I dont see why it couldnt be done beforehand. Of course when you walk onto the field you can tell the coach he is done for the game. Its going to happen anyways so why not.

[cyclonehokiece]

I had a partner who should have dumped the coach in the parking lot before the game. He didn't do it. I still bring it up whenever we work together.

In some areas, we are powerless to this. Our juristiction has not started. All we can do is file an incident report.

I believe this is what FED has started this year. Its usually after the game this comes into play but I dont see why it couldnt be done beforehand. Of course when you walk onto the field you can tell the coach he is done for the game. Its going to happen anyways so why not.

I know, but you better have a good reason for an ejection. In Virginia, we only have the power of ejection from entering the confines to leaving the confines. If he is acting up, my plan is tell him he is on report, and call my assignor/commissioner immediately. File a verbal report. Then move on. He will probably hang himself during the game. Luckily, most of the coaches around here are pretty good about at least waiting for us to get to the field, and don't really chase us after we have left. Although I am one of those who will advocate "Never say Never"

[dumbdumb]

I had a partner who should have dumped the coach in the parking lot before the game. He didn't do it. I still bring it up whenever we work together.

In some areas, we are powerless to this. Our juristiction has not started. All we can do is file an incident report.

I believe this is what FED has started this year. Its usually after the game this comes into play but I dont see why it couldnt be done beforehand. Of course when you walk onto the field you can tell the coach he is done for the game. Its going to happen anyways so why not.

I know, but you better have a good reason for an ejection. In Virginia, we only have the power of ejection from entering the confines to leaving the confines. If he is acting up, my plan is tell him he is on report, and call my assignor/commissioner immediately. File a verbal report. Then move on. He will probably hang himself during the game. Luckily, most of the coaches around here are pretty good about at least waiting for us to get to the field, and don't really chase us after we have left. Although I am one of those who will advocate "Never say Never"

Why not get out your cell phone and dial the state office right on the spot and tell them to get back to you with how they want it handled while he is right there giving you the grief in the parking lot before the game. Take pictures on the cell phone and send to the state right then and there.

[cyclonehokiece]

Dumbdumb: Because in VA, the state makes me go through the commissioner/assignor. We file nothing, send nothing directly to the state office, even our registration fees.

[scrounge]

And even with the new FED rule as I understand it, technically it's an administrative report, with which the state association will decide on what course of action to take. Not exactly an ejection, which is still when within the visual confines, but a post-game (and by implication, could be pre-game) administrative report.

I had a partner who should have dumped the coach in the parking lot before the game. He didn't do it. I still bring it up whenever we work together.

In some areas, we are powerless to this. Our juristiction has not started. All we can do is file an incident report.

I believe this is what <acronym title='Federation Rules (High School)'>FED</acronym> has started this year. Its usually after the game this comes into play but I dont see why it couldnt be done beforehand. Of course when you walk onto the field you can tell the coach he is done for the game. Its going to happen anyways so why not.

[millerforrest]

You handled it fine. as far as being "confrontational", no you were not. You were letting the HC know that he is not allowed to talk about past calls or he could be subject to an ejection. In a way, that was your way of "WARNING" him to cease about that topic of conversation.

I, too, had a pre-game ejection a few years ago @ the college level. 2nd game of DH. 1st game of DH ended with bases loaded, 3-2 count, 1 run game & a borderline pitch. STRIKE 3! Game over! HC was yelling from dugout as I walked off field. came out for game 2 at pre-game & right away he says "Woody, you're going to have to toss me". I cant juts cuz he says so. He kept arguing about that & went on & on so finally he said the4 "magic words" of "That was a horseSH*# call & youre horsehit for making it!" See ya! bhye bye now. Dont pass Go. You dont collect $200.

I had him 1 week later at his place & he apologized to me for it.

[Don]

When is it too early too toss a manager from a game? Let me summarize the situation;

I was working a L.L. 11u tournament game tonight; its a round robin tournament that started last friday night and ive seen both of these teams already. Home team's coaches are nothing but class, i wish all teams were like them. The visitors on the other hand have done nothing but give headaches to everyone the whole tourney. The last time i had the visiting team they argued that i "blew " a call, with that said i love when coaches can only quote half a rule when they try and argue and forget about the parts that would go against their case, so needless to say there was no blown call. Before the start of the game we call the managers over for the ground rules like always and before we can even start the manager starts in with "so do you want to admit know that you were wrong the other night" my response was "so do you want to stay and watch this game from your bench?" coaches response " as soon as you say your wrong ill drop it" my response "Your gone" and tossed him. Like you predicted he went off like a rocket saying he cant be tossed before the game starts and lineups are exchanged. For this tourney they swap lineups in before they start infield and we never see them so that argument was null in void. That enlies my question though;  there was nothing wrong with me tossing him before the first pitch was there?

[Don]

At the plate meeting you hear this "so do you want to admit know that you were wrong the other night".

I would say "are you wanting to be tossed now?"