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Rich Ives
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You can change it any most time you feel like it but not always. Examples: You can't change foul to fair on a ball that stays in the park. You can change an out to a safe if you're convinced the ball

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I know umpires can never change another umpire's call, but when are they allowed to change their own call?

You can change it any most time you feel like it but not always. Examples: You can't change foul to fair on a ball that stays in the park. You can change an out to a safe if you're convinced the ball was dropped.

It would be EXTREMELY bad to do so unless it's a case where you're absolutely positively sure you were wrong. Even then it would not be a wise move unless the outcome is pre-determined.

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I know umpires can never change another umpire's call, but when are they allowed to change their own call?

You can change it any most time you feel like it but not always. Examples: You can't change foul to fair on a ball that stays in the park. You can change an out to a safe if you're convinced the ball was dropped.

It would be EXTREMELY bad to do so unless it's a case where you're absolutely positively sure you were wrong. Even then it would not be a wise move unless the outcome is pre-determined.

Okay, thanks.

semper_fi_72

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Was working a 13U game on Saturday as PU

Ball is popped up just in front of the plate with R2 and BU in C.

Ball is missed by F2 and the spin causes the ball to bounce over his shoulder and into foul ground.

I see no indication that F2 touched the ball at all while it was fair and call it "FOUL".

Manager comes out and asks if I can check with my partner because he thinks F2 did touch the ball while it was fair.

My reply to him was "Julio, I didn't see the catcher touch the ball. Even if my partner says the catcher did touch it, there is nothing we can do in this case to change it."

His response was Thanks and it wouldn't matter any way.

Batter rips a double to Right Center on next pitch.

crazyaboutcoues

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This year during a very intense varsity HS game, I was behind the dish and called a pitch "STRIKE" then realized that it wasn't a stike :agasp_: . I immediately took my lid off and called "BALL, THAT WAS A BALL", I looked at the OC and apologized for the wrong call. After the 1/2 inning as he walked by me laughing and said he'd never seen that before, I laughed and said i've never done that before and apologized again for the brain fart. He said no problem it was a ball...:angel4:

sdix00

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This year during a very intense varsity HS game, I was behind the dish and called a pitch "STRIKE" then realized that it wasn't a stike :agasp_: . I immediately took my lid off and called "BALL, THAT WAS A BALL", I looked at the OC and apologized for the wrong call. After the 1/2 inning as he walked by me laughing and said he'd never seen that before, I laughed and said i've never done that before and apologized again for the brain fart. He said no problem it was a ball...:angel4:

At least you were thinking "STRIKE". That's just good discipline. anim_32.gif

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I changed a call yesterday. I incorrectly announced a count of 3-1 on the batter when the count was actually 2-2. This came after a couple of pick-off attempts and another distraction. And you guessed it...the next pitch was a called strike, so I announced "3-2." The defensive coach called time and convinced me that my count was incorrect. Even my partner was confused and thought he had the wrong count, so he didn't say anything initially until I went out to ask him for verification. We decided that it was indeed the third strike, so I then changed my call and called the batter out. He wasn't too happy thinking he could still take a pitch. Neither the batter or catcher questioned my original count of only one strike. Was I correct?

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I changed a call yesterday. I incorrectly announced a count of 3-1 on the batter when the count was actually 2-2. This came after a couple of pick-off attempts and another distraction. And you guessed it...the next pitch was a called strike, so I announced "3-2." The defensive coach called time and convinced me that my count was incorrect. Even my partner was confused and thought he had the wrong count, so he didn't say anything initially until I went out to ask him for verification. We decided that it was indeed the third strike, so I then changed my call and called the batter out. He wasn't too happy thinking he could still take a pitch. Neither the batter or catcher questioned my original count of only one strike. Was I correct?

God thing your partner didn't have an indicator.:Horse:

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I changed a call yesterday. I incorrectly announced a count of 3-1 on the batter when the count was actually 2-2. This came after a couple of pick-off attempts and another distraction. And you guessed it...the next pitch was a called strike, so I announced "3-2." The defensive coach called time and convinced me that my count was incorrect. Even my partner was confused and thought he had the wrong count, so he didn't say anything initially until I went out to ask him for verification. We decided that it was indeed the third strike, so I then changed my call and called the batter out. He wasn't too happy thinking he could still take a pitch. Neither the batter or catcher questioned my original count of only one strike. Was I correct?

God thing your partner didn't have an indicator.:Horse:

My partner did indeed have an indicator and had the correct count, but thought he had it wrong when I announced it. So he didn't say anything until after I questioned him.

mstaylor

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If your partner is going to carry an indicator the theory is to help keep the count straight. If he has a different count then he should question it. If he isn't then don't carry an indicator. I am a proponent of carrying one but it has to done for a purpose.

mjr_2013

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If your partner is going to carry an indicator the theory is to help keep the count straight. If he has a different count then he should question it. If he isn't then don't carry an indicator. I am a proponent of carrying one but it has to done for a purpose.

See, I could be wrong here (I'm still learning), but when I am BU and carrying an indicator, I consider the PU count to be official as long as he desn't ask for help... So if I have a count of 2-2 and he calls out "3-1", I will change my count... I figure since he is the one behind the plate, he is more likely to know how many times he has raised his hand for the strike... Now, any time he signals me to ask, I will tell him what I have... I am assuming every time he announces the count, he is sure of it or he would ask me.

It is much more likely that I missed a pitch or marked a ball on a strike when I've been running around the diamond than my partner when they are staying behind the plate, mostly focusing on just that - strikes and balls.

I could be wrong though, and if so, please correct me.

noumpere

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I could be wrong though, and if so, please correct me.

If he gives one count and you have another you should flash your count to him he can then affirm his count or seek clarification.

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