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mstaylor

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It makes some good points and others not so good. I have never completely agreed with Carl's addage of most ejections are from umpire's mistakes. While this certainly happens, it is just as often that it is perceived mistake that causes a coach go nuts. Close calls and rules interps where the umpire has the call exactly right can cause a problem just as much him smoking one. There are a few other small points but I will have to reread the article to find them.

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Nate

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All three of the ejections that I made this year were because the coaches were protecting their player's mistake. And every time they were ejected they either got in my face or pointed in my face. In umpire school they teach you if the coach or player says "you" in an derogatory sense and not saying "you are the best umpire ever" you should eject them.

Nate

mstaylor

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DON'T MAKE "PROMISES" YOU PROBABLY CAN'T KEEP. About four years or so ago I worked with an umpire who, during the pre-game when asked by both managers, said his strike zone was "From the nipples to the knees." The first thought that came into my mind was, oh-oh. How does he know that? The game hasn't even started. Well, when the game did get underway and the very first pitch was thrown, guess where it was located on the batter, who didn't swing? Yup! Right smack at the nipples. And guess what my partner called? Yup! "Ball One!" And guess what happened next? Yup! "Geez, Blue, you said you called the nipples, for crying out loud" hollered the coach from the dugout. (Sigh). The result was this, my partner spent the entire game taking pot-shots from both sides about every other pitch. As painful as that was for him, thankfully he had the kind of disposition that allowed him to swallow his pride and live with it. He bit his tongue for 9 innings and left the field vowing to never make that mistake again. A lesser umpire would have been 86ing players until his shoulder fell out of its socket. Suggestion: leave your shovels at home. There's enough holes out on the field to fall into. You don't need to dig your own.

I will agree that it is stupid to announce a strike zone or any other judgement call before you start but you still can't let them take shots all night long. The article makes it sound like it's a good thing that he rolled over and let them take shots all night long. Anybody ever heard the addage," Two wrongs don't make a right!"

IF YOU DO HAVE TO EJECT THE OFFENDING PLAYER, let the coach do it for you. That is, simply call the coach over and ask him for the name of the guy who is now going to be playing left field and batting in the five hole. When he gives you that confused look, quietly inform him that he needs to send his troublemaker home and you need to know who is replacing him. No need to get animated about the whole thing. After all, there aren't any television cameras around, so you're not going to be on ESPN.

This the dumbest Idea I've heard right recently. I'm not saying you have to do a Naked Gun ejection but you have to throw the guy yourself. You can certainly do it low key but you have to do it.

HokieUmp

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Check out this article, I would love to hear your opinions' on it!

http://www.sdabu.com/Ejection_Philosophy.htm

There were some good points, I suppose, but the overall feeling I had upon reading it was: "Geez, was this written by an umpire, or the head of the San Diego Adult Baseball Player's Union???"

Maybe I need to re-read it, but the guy did all but say "take their crap, and let 'em play." That was my initial interpretation, anyway.

mstaylor

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There were some good points, I suppose, but the overall feeling I had upon reading it was: "Geez, was this written by an umpire, or the head of the San Diego Adult Baseball Player's Union???"

Maybe I need to re-read it, but the guy did all but say "take their crap, and let 'em play." That was my initial interpretation, anyway.

That was the overall feeling I got from the article. There were some good points in it scattered in between the take it and let them play.

Stan W.

Stan W.

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Clearly I have some misgivings.........there are some good points and some really weak ones as well.....

I have spoken with Carl Childress on a few brief occasions and I have listened to him about his philosphy of the ejection as a result of an umpire mistake. I get the impression he means is not always the call, but also in an umpires handling of the arguement...

I will agree with MST that the worst advice is to let the coach "eject" his own player....I am not known as a "big show" ejection person...Ive felt for years that that is exactly what the coach wants...and at that point I am not about to give him ammo to incite his partisan crowd...

Yet for all my ejections....I have ejected them...

I would take this work with a grain of salt....

Nate

Nate

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That is my favorite ejection video..

"You're here to do one thing!"

"What's that?"

"To f^&* us!"

Lol.

PeteBooth

PeteBooth

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Check out this article, I would love to hear your opinions' on it!

http://www.sdabu.com/Ejection_Philosophy.htm

I have a problem with the section on Rec or adult men's baseball leagues.

For most of us Umpiring is not our MAIN profession but a hobby so why should we have to sit there and take the grief. We all make mistakes, however, officials mistakes IMO are blown way out of proportion.

Don Denkinger received death threats after his blown call in the 1985 World Series between the KC Royals and St Louis cards. However, what about Jack Clark's drop of a routine fly ball off the bat of Steve Balboni.

I agree with the part about NOT threatening a coach but as another poster said one would think the article was written by the Players Union and not an umpire.

FWIW the mens adult leagues are the worst leagues around and it's not worth taking assignments. Who needs a bunch of whiner's and cryers each and every week.

In Summary: the article makes some good points but the point is how much should we take.

Pete Booth

mstaylor

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That is my favorite ejection video..

"You're here to do one thing!"

"What's that?"

"To f^&* us!"

Lol.

If I'm not mistaken, the next game Earl got tossed at the plate meeting for telling the same umpire that he hoped he was better at the plate than he was on first. :shrug: ;)

catoblue

catoblue

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Check out this article, I would love to hear your opinions' on it!

http://www.sdabu.com/Ejection_Philosophy.htm

The points on body language and demeanor in dealing with coaches and players were pretty accurate, however, I, like several others, read this as a guide on how to take a bunch of crap that you shouldn't have to take.

Definitely doesn't sound like it was put together by an umpire. WAAAAYYYY too much leeway to give players and coaches. They come to me and don't cross the line, they stay. Once they arrive at the line, they'll receive a "that's enough" - just so they know where the line is, once they step over the line, :crybaby2: buh-bye!

I laughed pretty hard at the part about these Adult Leaguer's having day jobs and needing to blow off steam..LOL!!!! How many umpires, other than retirees and pros don't have day jobs? As an umpire, it would be completely wrong for me to dump all over players and coaches because I had a bad day at work, yet this article says we should put up with them dumping all over us?! :wave: I don't think so!

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