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Wow, used to have respect for Azul, no longer. My 14 year old son knows to respect fellow umpires and not talk poorly of them to others.

Long story short, you are incorrect. The rule about the batter reaching first and run not scoring is only applicable when the BATTER is the one you got out. Your fielder chose to make a put-out on R2, thus, the run counting is only subject to did R3 cross home plate before the tag out or not

I understand your wording, but when the obstructed runner has been thrown out, that is as far as he is going.

I agree with Maven…if the OBS runner was thrown “out”, the call is not to call out but to call Time and declare the obstructed runner safe due to the obstruction, and then award others as needed. The play ends there. The fact that they frantically threw to second is irrelevant….again, this is based on the obstructed runner being thrown “out”; if that doesn’t happen, it’s play on. My follow up question would be what if the umpire who called OBS and saw it is not the one who called him out at third? (Ex, U1 called OBS by first base from B and HPU rotated to third not realizing he was obstructed) would that fall on BU to “come up big” and kill it when he sees HPU call him out?

It’s explained in the video…ncaa and below, it’s where bat goes, in OBR (mlb at least), it’s “did he strike at the pitch”? to me, I don’t have a strike at the pitch. Yes his bat is flailing, but he’s not even looking bc he’s trying to avoid a 95mph missile

Not to be nit-picky, but a two game suspension is much different in football than it is basketball or baseball. Football they play 10 games, so 2 is 20% of season. Basketball plays like 30-40. Id prefer a “percentage sit”. Lets say 1 game in football, so 10% of season, or 2 (20%) for severe penalty. So basketball kid with a 30 game schedule sits 3/6 games, etc. In baseball, a starting pitcher is suspended for 4 games and they don’t even miss a start. An nfl player sitting for 4 games can ruin their season

Wow, how can such a simple question turn into such a convoluted discussion.

Perhaps he is basing this on many slow pitch softball leagues/rules that do not require running the bases after a HR. But in baseball you most certainly do

I’d tell him if the count is so Important that not knowing it is detrimental to them situationally, perhaps he should pay better attention. Now, sarcasm aside (but not really), if it isn’t the head coach, I’m telling him we aren’t discussing anything and the next time he makes a fool of you for all to hear he is gone.

It’s not backwards…by shaving the bat, you are decreasing the mass. The only way the force increases is if the acceleration gained is larger than the decrease in mass. The elasticity part however makes sense in terms of how it creates a much increased advantage

Wood bats make this much harder than metal bats. I would hesitate to just blankety say “I’ll just send to first”. Instead, slow down, call time since it’s dead whether it’s foul or a HBP, and process everything. What did you hear? What was the reaction of the batter? Honestly, i had one this year, college game, guy got hit on knob, didn’t react, I hear from his dugout “didn’t that hit you ?” And he looked at me, and then started shaking his hand. I laughed and said “nice try” I have never seen someone get hit on the fingers and it didn’t hurt; so while a super savvy player can “act”, most give it away in that moment of human reaction. It’s not foolproof but hope this helps. I will agree that if after taking your time and processing everything, you can not determine it was a foul ball, then yes, award first, and if needed, ask partner if they have anything if it’s contested

Interesting…force = mass x acceleration decrease mass of barrel seems counter-intuitive, but guess that’s why I never did it, id Do it Wrong!

Looks like a softball bat; and im no expert in shaving bats, but don’t most people shave the handle, not the barrel? Thought the point was to make it lighter at the handle for faster whip/speed ? Not reduce the mass of the barrel…

Your info is good, but again, a pitcher in the bullpen can not be a “fan”. They get no such protection about “over the wall”. If that was allowed, every bullpen person would flail away at every OF who reached over to try and rob a home run

Should clarify, my answer was based on the assumption that the pitcher was from the offensive/batting team. If a member of defense INT with his own guy, sucks to be them

A pitcher in uniform can not be a “fan”. This would be INT and batter is out

No, not if they tag base first

Disagree…if they throw over or tag runner, and nothing is indicated or said, I’m assuming they are just trying to put him out. I’ll signal safe as if they are just tagging him. If they are appealing and don’t say what, I’m asking for information. My original response was about the msg saying they would ASSUME they are appealing that he didn’t retouch third, to which I said, you should always know what they are appealing.

You should always know what they are appealing. A simple “coach/catcher/etc, what are you appealing”?

Beerguy....it does not matter that he is "trying to get to the plate as fast as he can". On a FORCE PLAY, the runner MUST slide legally (or veer away which is irrelevant here since he was not put out by initial throw). He is not permitted to run into HP standing up anymore than he would at 2nd base. This is the whole purpose of the FORCE-PLAY-slide-rule. By not sliding, he puts himself at danger of interfering, which he did, stumble or not, intentional or not, with the catchers ability to make a subsequent play. By letter of the law, this is a FPSR violation and double play. If you want to split hairs and say "but he INT with the catcher while F2 was trying to make a subsequent play" and call the run as counting and rule R2 (now coming home from third) out for the INT, you probably wouldn't get much argument. But by letter of the law, if a play is being made on R3 in a force situation, he must slide legally. If he slides legally, he would not stumble and int with catcher. His non-slide is what caused that action, so yes, Matt was correct

He was obstructed rounding third as well, but U3 was looking into outfield; or you might have had two obstructions on same play on the same runner!

Three Ps for ejections…personal, prolonged, profane. Your batter nailed two of them, good ejection. If this was your first college umpire, means he *likely* is first who has the stones to throw someone out in an adult league. And you sound like a TV broadcaster when they say “he wasn’t even looking back at him”. So as long as batter looks away they can say whatever they want?

It’s been quite a while since I’ve done that young, but generally my philosophy was that as long as no one was being disadvantaged, I wasn’t calling it, and I’d share a quick word between innings with pitcher or coach. I told coaches “I won’t let your kid get picked off by a balk, but I’m not calling every little flinch, turn, etc”. At 10/11, a lot of kids can’t even come set without wobbling or “drifting” their body

I used to struggle with the weather/darkness thing, until I learned the sure fire response that absolved me of all guilt…your half an inning or win/loss or official game or not, is not worth my being sued for my entire life savings and net worth. I will never jeopardize my ability to provide for my family in the interest of getting one more inning in for your rec/travel game

The “hardest” calls to make are the ones that separate the best umpires from average ones. Those would be the calls you know are correct but are controversial to the team it goes against. Sometimes you know the obscure rule that most don’t, and you know it’s going to be an argument, or it’s a call that isn’t popular (like batters interference of catcher, or runner left too early), and you make the call anyways. I was at a camp last year being evaluated by high level umps, and our on field evaluation was 18u tournament games. A batter was hit by pitch but I judged when he turned away, he stuck his elbow out. I told him to stay here. The fans went bonkers, I mean insane, I was being sworn at, screamed at, every call after was questioned loudly, I just kept being me. Turns out, a D2 college coach was behind plate in bleachers scouting and he told evaluators “he got it right”, and they said “I know, good job”. That’s just an example from my own experience, doesn’t make me great, but being able to make a correct call that you know will piss off a lot of people is the “hardest call to make”, and also the Most satisfying when you know you got it correct.