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Great article dumbdumb, thanks for posting it. Though I'm sure Phillie fans (which I'm not) will no doubt cast doubt upon it since McKean wore the Uniform for so many years and was a former supervisor. Let's hope Mr. Selig's office does the right thing and bounces the protest where it belongs.

EH can only hit not play defense Or EH can enter on defense but once removed cant reenter on defense EH cant pitch or catch Other players have reentry but EH doesnt I have seen all of those and probably more in different leagues and games. I agree though that the easiest and best is that the DH is just F10 and one of F1-F10 plays "bench' each inning. Odd ! LOL. As the old saying goes, those local rules are dreamed up by fools. I've only ever seen an EH used in a Babe Ruth League and was under the impression it was an option that could be selected by the league when they submit their charter each year. In that case they just use it as a spot with all the normal stuff that comes with using a sub in any given spot, but I can see what noumpere is talking about, that could really get a little looney. Now I'm gonna have to dig and find my Babe Ruth book.

+1 to that. But given the mess the rule book can be it's really no surprise that the UM is just as bad. We used PBUC when I was in the Orlando area for many years, but it changed around 10 to 12 years ago to CCA, and everything in North Florida has been CCA since I've been here. Never knew why though, Michael why the switch? Just curious as to why there was a change in your Assn.

BTW.. did anyone notice the nice "right shoulder punch" the runner gave to the fielder? Knocked him over with it. I just went back and looked at it. Looks pretty flagrant to me, but that's in slow mo from a wider angle. Everybody did their part and just rolled it up afterwards so I don't think it was a major deal, he knew he was out anyway. If anything the players will take care of it amongst themselves, I think it happened fast enough that neither umpire was going to see it unless they were trailing.

Thats not always true because some leages have restrictions on an EH. Now maybe you know the newbie and your anser is right for his situation and if thats true I apologize. What restrictions would affect it though? Bottom line, if their using an EH (totally different than a DH), they are using a 10 man roster. That extra spot in the order is there and would be able to put subs into that spot according to the specific league's rules governing subs, fact is though you still have subs and their going to be governed by that Rule Sets Sub Rules. Using CBO means everybody is in the lineup, and therefore you can have what is referred to as "free subs" since nobody ever leaves the lineup. I just can't see anything they could do to make the EH spot anything different without making wholesale changes to a given rule, or getting into specific ground rules.

Mr. Umpire has it nailed, I will just add that he is young enough, and in great physical condition, so his ability to open up some room in the event of a blow up is much greater than some of the older guys. ( I would be one of those!) Having the other bases covered is also a huge benefit, most of us have to cover a huge amount of ground in comparison, and if we were that close getting to the next play or a reasonable angle could be a big challenge.

The bolded section is certainly a great goal to aspire to, but I get the impression that Tanner is a little younger, and less experienced. Developing this ability does take time, just as it takes time to pick up the nuances of when we're picking boogers or not. Tanner, you have some good input here, keep coming back and posting your experiences, most of the guys around here will take the time to help you through, it is a process, and sooner or later you'll be better off for it. Keep conversations with coaches very limited, give them just the facts, and then make it very clear that the conversation is over, now it's time to move on. Eventually you will start to see the wisdom in what Semper_fi posted for you. Keep it short and fact based, if he continues to want to beat a dead horse from 3 plays ago, give him a warning and then dump him, he might eventually get it.

Geez Jeff, now we gotta read to? What's the world coming to, next thing you know I'll have to buy the rulebook. :shakehead:

I have, waiting for an answer You'll be waiting for a long time since he won't find it. That said, you may want to point out to him that the only place a feint is not allowed (balk) is for an engaged pitcher that makes a move to 1st base.

Its all about Timing. Other valuable tips have been provided above, especially using audio, but start with one very simple concept that will ALWAYS put you in the best position to have all the info you need, Timing. Slow Down. Let the play happen. See if the throw is going to be online, make your adjustments, or not, based on that, let it all come together in front of you, pause, say it to yourself (I personally envision what I'm gonna do) and then hit the call. As I've told many new guys what's the worst their going to say about you? "Hey there's that Umpire that is so slow!" Cool, I'm gettin banged on for taking my time? I'm diggin it. You might get chirped on once, by a new coach or new fans, but think about it, their over there thinking that you took your time to get the call right. Where's the issue? Once you've learned a comfortable timing mechanic these calls become easier since you put less pressure on yourself, at that time you'll have more options on how you "sell" a banger, but that's another topic for another day.

I'm waiting for the stone washed, pre-torn knee to come out. It'll look really cool with my invisible hat. :fuel:

Well done Marine, well done.

Thanks and I would like to think I wouldn't have been invited if I sucked! Cajun; It's all good man, "don't suck" is just umpire speak for work hard and have fun! And congrats on your invitation to a big gig, it's always a good feeling to know your hard work has paid off. Enjoy the games, make some new umpire friends, and don't suck! :GL:

If F5 is chasing down the R2 to apply a tag on an overslide didn't he just tell everyone that he didn't tag him? Just Sayin

I like it Warren, Let's Roll!

Rich; The guy has already looked in the book, couldn't find it the way he thinks it should be and continues to try and debate it. This is clearly not someone even remotely wanting to learn, he's trying to prove that he's right and will not listen to anything different. This is the guy who describes an IFF to five other people, using five different scenarios, and then scratches his head that somehow the original umpire who called it right goofed it. I agree, there are plenty of times where we can handle things quietly, and make it a learning experience, this just isn't one of them, IMHO.

My argument is that the rules are not different for arguing ball/strike or out/safe. A lot of TV announcers will say "you can't argue balls and strike, that is an automatic ejection" but that is just not correct, and it has seemed like some of you on this website believe them. Someone yelling from the dugout "that pitch isn't up" is the same as him yelling "he was out", it is not an automatic ejection. Cactus, Please take the time to read. You are speaking in generalities, and trying to paint everyone with a broad brush, when several people have told you specifically how it is handled in the real world every day. This wasn't about TV announcers, it was about the OP (originally), and devolved into you demanding that the rules do not support an ejection for arguing balls/strikes or other judgment calls. Most everyone that responded to you gave you citations from accepted Rules book and/or manuals, and you provided a statement that something didn't appear in one source, still never having provided the actual text from that source. You were wrong then, your wrong now, deal with it.

JM, I do like the pink barrel in the background. No flags. I do believe these "other" types of shirts are cool to look at on other people.

And today is June 23, 2011...................so............I'm totally confused. :wacko:

AS SOOn as the Catcher Initial throw does not retire the runner.."time is called" and called the batter out and return the runner back to his base at TOP. This was my point. If you have followed through on the mechanics of things, the INT is already out of your mouth, and TIME is being called. It's gonna be much easier to return R1 and ding the B1 if I've just followed the mechanics. If it becomes apparent that he was out by a wide margin and it was on that Initial throw, it's even easier to explain. If you wait to call Time and announce the INT, your just begging for a sh*tstorm.

I somehow can't see this particular poster taking the highlighted action without it being directed towards him. yawetag is normally a pretty level headed guy. I realize you can't take the emotion out of the game, and there's plenty of times it's best to let sleeping dogs lie, but this is also behavior that has to be handled. Sometimes the ejection can be the impetus to getting the coach and/or parents to step up and fix the problem, ignoring it isn't going to make it any better.

Thanks Andrew!

Not on the initial throw. Really? Did it get thrown somewhere else? If you overslide the base and get put out returning do you get credit for a stolen base? I'll save you the trouble of looking: 10.07 (e) When a runner is tagged out after oversliding a base, while attempting either to return to that base or to advance to the next base, the official scorer shall not credit such runner with a stolen base. Thanks for the cite Rich, as usual it's always good to go diving for answers. My question would be this. The INT happened and I called it at the plate, that initial throw doesn't ring the bell, now F4 has to make another attempt to retire the runner. Hasn't my call of INT brought everything to a stop since I'm announcing, "TIME, that's INT"? I have always called it in the manner Michael suggests, but I can see both sides of it, interested in the conversation for sure.

From my perspective neither video shows it foul. Close, really close, but even if a part of the ball is touching a part of the dirt at the point, another part is on the plate. Hoye came out and sold it immediately, and listened to Ozzie for about 3 seconds before dropping the hammer, not to mention Ozzie is trying to put the ball at least a foot if not more past the point of the plate which is WAY off. I don't think there is a replay that he could have seen quick enough and still made it out into Hoye's grill in the amount of time he had. Soto's reaction is to funny.