Richvee Posted Wednesday at 04:55 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 04:55 PM Reds / Phillies last night. DeLa Cruz runs though 2B on a force, he's safe, Phillies want abandonment. I'm have trouble finding the actual wording of the rule change this year. All I find is AI generated results, or reporters opinions paraphrasing the rule. I can't find the direct rule from MLB... The rulebook or elsewhere... Help. Quote
eddieq Posted Wednesday at 06:25 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 06:25 PM Closest I can see is 5.09(b)(2) and the comment. It specifically talks about first base, but the language ", he leaves the base path, obviously abandoning his effort to touch the next base" leads me to feel like it could be upheld on other bases as well. I was watching the game. It felt like he was believing he'd be out on the force and pealed off. He came right back, though, as soon as he realized the safe call. The Philly announcers were thinking interference, but there was nothing there either. Donny Baseball probably wouldn't have made a fuss if Orion wasn't throwing grapefruits. At least Lindsay gets another 2 fer ejection video out of it. Quote
Velho Posted Wednesday at 06:34 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 06:34 PM I don't see any applicable OBR changes (though the new 2026 5.06(b)(1) language on when a base is passed could be Interpreted in deciding Abandonment. Story on "rule change" https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-shift-baserunning-rules-changes-2025 History for those not aware https://www.mlb.com/news/running-through-second-base-trend I saw an uncalled similar MLB play a week or two ago. Quote
Richvee Posted Wednesday at 06:43 PM Author Report Posted Wednesday at 06:43 PM 9 minutes ago, Velho said: I don't see any applicable OBR changes (though the new 2026 5.06(b)(1) language on when a base is passed could be Interpreted in deciding Abandonment. Story on "rule change" https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-shift-baserunning-rules-changes-2025 This is what I mean. I doubt the change actually says “The rule change gives umpires the power to call the trail runner out for abandonment of second base even if he beat the throw. He is considered to have abandoned the bag as soon as both feet land on the other side of the base “ There’s no way that’s the rule. That’s some writers uneducated take. Would love to see the actual memo 2 Quote
Velho Posted Wednesday at 07:05 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 07:05 PM 20 minutes ago, Richvee said: There’s no way that’s the rule. That’s some writers uneducated take. Quote
Mad Mike Posted Wednesday at 10:56 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 10:56 PM Donny said to reporters after the game that the only reason it was argued was the fact the guy never made a turn towards 3rd base. He claimed they were shown video in Spring Training by MLB saying if the guy runs through the base and doesn't turn toward third, he can be called out. I would like to see the memo too..... https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7430216/2026/07/08/phillies-coaches-tossed-reds-elly-de-la-cruz-second-base/ 1 Quote
BLWizzRanger Posted yesterday at 01:26 AM Report Posted yesterday at 01:26 AM 2 hours ago, Mad Mike said: Donny said to reporters after the game that the only reason it was argued was the fact the guy never made a turn towards 3rd base. He claimed they were shown video in Spring Training by MLB saying if the guy runs through the base and doesn't turn toward third, he can be called out. I would like to see the memo too..... https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7430216/2026/07/08/phillies-coaches-tossed-reds-elly-de-la-cruz-second-base/ Yeah, that is what I remember as the new rule. If they continued into left field, they would be considered abandoning the base. If they made the turn to third, they would be considered to be running the bases correctly. No one saw the 'return to second (or third if the force is there) immediately' in these scenarios. Quote
DevildogUmp Posted yesterday at 04:27 AM Report Posted yesterday at 04:27 AM Lindsay with CCS breaks it down: Basically, the updated rule interpretation is that replay can grab abandonment only if the runner is initially called out, replay reverse the out call, but the runner continues past the bag into the outfield. Because the call on the field was safe, this interpretation is not part of the conversation. 1 Quote
dumbdumb Posted yesterday at 09:22 AM Report Posted yesterday at 09:22 AM what is a "turn towards third"? is it like an "attempt" like when you attempt to go to 2nd on an overthrow, and you only make a flinch motion with you shoulder etc. what exactly is a turn, and therein would lie the judgement point of any turn made, and therefor to be argued one way or the other and create a possible ejection situation due to the argument that ensues. 1 Quote
Velho Posted 20 hours ago Report Posted 20 hours ago So glad they made this "rule" change to stop this play Quote
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