not a good look at the end

[dumbdumb]

you got a problem, argue during the game and get tossed. dont be a gutless wonder two faced cheap shot artist and go after someone at the end of the game player or manager or coach. thats what earl weaver did back in his day (69ws) got it out during the game, as i believe cox (92,96ws) did too.

and top brass fault for not installing pitch review/replay/challenge this year rather than next year, although it would not guarantee this same reaction at the end would not happen if they blew their challenges earlier.

[jimurrayalterego]

1 hour ago, dumbdumb said:

you got a problem, argue during the game and get tossed. dont be a gutless wonder two faced cheap shot artist and go after someone at the end of the game player or manager or coach. thats what earl weaver did back in his day (69ws) got it out during the game, as i believe cox (92,96ws) did too.

and top brass fault for not installing pitch review/replay/challenge this year rather than next year, although it would not guarantee this same reaction at the end would not happen if they blew their challenges earlier.

Manager did come out and batter did confront the ump. Reynolds let it slide. Could they get the technology going by tomorrow?

[dumbdumb]

43 minutes ago, jimurrayalterego said:

Manager did come out and batter did confront the ump. Reynolds let it slide. Could they get the technology going by tomorrow?

you really go after him like they were doing at the end when it happens not the end and get kicked out. where are the pawns like the hitting coach they use to get kicked.out during the season,  if not the manager. make a scene and get tossed right then. after the game you dont go after them at all.

like i said, E-Management from commissioner on down for not having the intestinal fortitude to use it this year.

and why did they get beat in the first game to even let it get to a third game.

[jimurrayalterego]

36 minutes ago, dumbdumb said:

 

like i said, E-Management from commissioner on down for not having the intestinal fortitude to use it this year.

 

I don't know you mean by E-Management but there should be some penalty for what happened at the dugout.

[dumbdumb]

5 minutes ago, jimurrayalterego said:

I don't know you mean by E-Management but there should be some penalty for what happened at the dugout.

just like E-1, 6 or E-U. management had the opportunity to put ABS into play this past year and did not. so everyone should blame them for dropping the ball.

[jimurrayalterego]

7 minutes ago, dumbdumb said:

just like E-1, 6 or E-U. management had the opportunity to put ABS into play this past year and did not. so everyone should blame them for dropping the ball.

I get it now. So can ABS be up and running tomorrow?

[SeeingEyeDog]

Brothers, brothers...we are burying the lead here...

How about we STOP building and playing and umpiring games in facilities at the HIGHEST LEVEL OF BASEBALL which by design REQUIRE the umpire crew to exit THROUGH a team dugout?!?! Just unbelievable...

Petco Park opened in 2004. The MLBUA was formed in 2000. The union should have gotten this in their collective bargaining YEARS AGO! This is not ok. Not ok.

Figure it out, MLB...figure it out and get better.

~Dawg

[dumbdumb]

3 hours ago, jimurrayalterego said:

I get it now. So can ABS be up and running tomorrow?

commish can do anything. best interests of baseball clause. but of coarse you got to wait till next year. and agree on your should be penalty for this.

just shows how chicken manure players are. win first game and they would have been home waiting anyway. and personally commish office should have been in charge of making sure there would have been tons of security if they have to go by losers dugout tunnel, since they still go by players dugouts like mentioned above, and security would have been lined up inside and outside the dugout starting where players were that went after them, since they dont have their own personal entrance devoid of players.

[The Man in Blue]

18 hours ago, dumbdumb said:

you really go after him like they were doing at the end when it happens not the end and get kicked out. where are the pawns like the hitting coach they use to get kicked.out during the season,  if not the manager. make a scene and get tossed right then. after the game you dont go after them at all.

. . . and by "regional manager" we mean the Director of Error Solutions, North Office Team, Department of Coordinating Runs and Production.

 

[grayhawk]

15 hours ago, SeeingEyeDog said:

Brothers, brothers...we are burying the lead here...

How about we STOP building and playing and umpiring games in facilities at the HIGHEST LEVEL OF BASEBALL which by design REQUIRE the umpire crew to exit THROUGH a team dugout?!?! Just unbelievable...

Petco Park opened in 2004. The MLBUA was formed in 2000. The union should have gotten this in their collective bargaining YEARS AGO! This is not ok. Not ok.

Figure it out, MLB...figure it out and get better.

~Dawg

That game was played at Wrigley. Not sure, but I think it was built some time before the MLBUA was formed in 2000...

[dumbdumb]

25 minutes ago, grayhawk said:

That game was played at Wrigley. Not sure, but I think it was built some time before the MLBUA was formed in 2000...

think there was some stadium built back in the day, not the brand new ones that totally forgot to build an umpire dressing room since umpires are just lowly 2nd class citizens.

But, the big thing to me is what are we teaching our youth, what is the lesson learned from this, after the game display. if you don't like a decision made, you go try to yell and scream and try and wupp some arsh to show them whose boss. this is what players are portraying, no wonder all those attacks that people probably do not like me posting, are what everyone, including our youth, are learning to carry forward. so who did they learn it from. the adults, and players who only care about winning and wupping arsh. like i said, win the first 2 games and this game would have never been played. go look in the mirror. or outright win the season so you don't play in the WC to start with. teach kids some sportsmanship, not just kicking people like they are a piece of crap, when you lose and then want, look at me look at me when you win. two faced front runners.

[dumbdumb]

click on link  'according to statcast', but read the other baseball america if you want to,  looks like a strike to me. but that is going by statcast generic box for everyone, not according to verbal rule as written in rule book, which means players have there own personal vertical high low.

for now lets leave the rule as written in words which is like a new imaginary line for each person verbally stated but not numerically stated.

so mlb has now defined those lines as 53.5% of each batter's height vertically on the high pitch, and 27% of a each batters height vertically on the low pitch for next year. so, they need to be writing the rule to say that numerically in numbers rather than describing the strike zone verbally in written words only.

so lets see over the years how those high and low percentages change to get what they want as hitting and pitching averages that are in the best interests of MLB and make the games so millions and millions of tickets are bought by fans. Or, will those exact numbers now ruin the game unless they continually make adjustments every year or two. will the game move more towards a super slow pitch sofrball game or towards a more pitching dual game. where is that perfect point that keeps millions and millions coming through the turnstiles. or will more parity between all teams become more and more the issue as it always has been part of the equation in the mix of millions and millions served.

TV only  games in the future with no fans at all. or stadiums with just sky boxes to fill. they are literally pricing the dummies of the world like me out, on both real and TV, where an occasional game was a possibility in the past. baseball for winners (not me) and not losers (me), just like the american way (wasn't that from an old Superman intro) i saw on you tube from times gone by?

so what's going to happen for the San Diego bush league  players situation

added oops-- article forgot to paste.   E-dumbdumb

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/baseball/padres-confront-umpires-in-dugout-after-brutal-call-in-wild-card-game-3/ar-AA1NOJFx?ocid=BingNewsSerp

[grayhawk]

1 hour ago, dumbdumb said:

so mlb has now defined those lines as 53.5% of each batter's height vertically on the high pitch, and 27% of a each batters height vertically on the low pitch for next year.

That's ridiculous. They have the technology (a tape measure) to determine the top and bottom of a batter's true zone. Why not do that instead of using averages? We've all seen tall batters with short legs and vice versa. If they're going with an ABS challenge system, then get it right.

[dumbdumb]

40 minutes ago, grayhawk said:

That's ridiculous. They have the technology (a tape measure) to determine the top and bottom of a batter's true zone. Why not do that instead of using averages? We've all seen tall batters with short legs and vice versa. If they're going with an ABS challenge system, then get it right.

yep. some guys are very vertical from the waste up. some are very verticle from the knee down, so based on body type----in your wheelhouse will be happen/advantageous for some and not for others. they will say it all comes out equal in the wash baloney. so once again we will not use technology that is available, but only the technology we pick and choose.

[SeeingEyeDog]

On 10/4/2025 at 1:53 PM, grayhawk said:

That game was played at Wrigley. Not sure, but I think it was built some time before the MLBUA was formed in 2000...

Yeah...you're so right...thus totally invalidating my point of course...

~Dawg

[dumbdumb]

one suspended and one fined

https://www.mlb.com/padres/news/jose-iglesias-suspended-one-game-xander-bogaerts-fined?msockid=2502131e2e6d6b102d9b059f2f806a85

[grayhawk]