Right of video review

[Larry Beddis]

College Girls Softball.
First and third, one out, no infield fly rule in effect. Batter hits a soft liner up the first base line. Both runner on the move. Pitcher dives and makes the catch in the air in fair ground. Both runners have advanced to the next base. Pitcher stands up and walks to the bag to double up the runner who went to second base. Team runs off the field. Umpire ruled the run counts as it was not a consecutive double play to end the inning and ruled that the pitcher should have went to the mound to appeal that the runner on third failed to tag up. Once the defensive came off the field of play without appeal, the run stands. 
 

With the current ability of video review when a scored run is involved, can a manager ask for a review after the fact of the failed tag up and have the call reversed even though the team on the field failed to challenge?

Thank you. 
 

 

[JSam21]

If the runner crossed the plate before the appeal was made, the run would still score. Once the infielders cross the line into foul territory, they can no longer appeal. This was ruled correctly.

They never made an appeal of R3's failure to retouch. There is nothing that a replay review would be able to overturn.

 

[Velho]

Tag-ups are not a covered NCAA Softball replay situation https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/softball/rules/2022-23PRWSB_MajorRulesChanges.pdf

1. Regarding batted balls (any ball higher than the top of the foul pole when it leaves the field cannot have
that aspect reviewed):

Deciding if a batted ball called fair is fair or foul.
Deciding if a batted ball called foul should be a ground rule double, home run, or hit-by-pitch.
Deciding if a batted ball called fair and ruled not to have left the field of play did leave the field.

2. Regarding pitched balls at the plate:
Deciding if a pitch ruled a dropped third strike was caught before the ball touched the ground.
Deciding whether a live or dead ball should be changed to a foul ball.
Deciding whether a foul ball should be changed to a foul tip only with no base runners, or if it would
result in a 3rd out.
d. Deciding whether a batter is entitled to an award of first base per Hit Batter (by Pitch) Rule 11.13.

3. Spectator interference.
4. Obstruction and interference (including collisions).
5. Deciding if malicious/flagrant contact occurred. Umpires may initiate this review without requiring a
coach’s challenge at any point in the game to ensure student-athlete safety.
6. Timing plays (deciding whether the base runner scored ahead of a third out).
7. Force/Tag Play Calls: Plays involving all runners acquiring the base before the defensive player’s attempt
to put the runner out at any base.
8. Blocked or dead ball/Placement of Runners: Deciding whether a ball not ruled blocked should be ruled
blocked, and the proper placement of runners (per the rules/case book) after any blocked or dead ball call.
9. With no base runners, a no catch can be changed to a catch at any time. With runners on base, a no catch
can be changed to a catch only if it results in a 3rd out.

[beerguy55]

1 hour ago, Larry Beddis said:

Umpire ruled the run counts as it was not a consecutive double play to end the inning and ruled that the pitcher should have went to the mound to appeal that the runner on third failed to tag up.

This is an incorrect understanding of the rules, the procedures, and what was actually ruled.

Simply put, an appeal is a time play. If R3 scored before the appeal at first was completed, then the run counts.

There is no need for the pitcher to return to the mound to appeal...the pitcher can simply throw to third, or walk across the field and touch third base for the so-called fourth out (in reality, that would become the third out, and replace the "out" made at first base).

As well, I know this is true at most levels of softball, just not sure about NCAA - she may have been able to make a verbal appeal after the third out (I believe once there's a third out the ball is automatically dead), as long as the defense was still in fair territory.

Regardless, as stated, no appeal was made before the infield left fair territory, so the run stands.  Even if replay covered tag ups (like MLB does) it would still be too late - so even if replay confirmed the runner left early, the appeal was made too late...and in MLB, by procedure, the team is supposed to appeal on field first, and then only go to replay if the appeal was denied....not sure how often that happens in practice.

[The Man in Blue]

4 hours ago, JSam21 said:

If the runner crossed the plate before the appeal was made, the run would still score. Once the infielders cross the line into foul territory, they can no longer appeal. This was ruled correctly.

They never made an appeal of R3's failure to retouch. There is nothing that a replay review would be able to overturn.

 

 

That part is not true for NCAA Softball.

 

I suppose "immediately" is going to be subjective to the umpire.

[The Man in Blue]

3 hours ago, beerguy55 said:

As well, I know this is true at most levels of softball, just not sure about NCAA - she may have been able to make a verbal appeal after the third out (I believe once there's a third out the ball is automatically dead), as long as the defense was still in fair territory.

 

NCAA Softball does allow a verbal, dead-ball appeal.

See previous post.  😁

[The Man in Blue]

As has been said, even though a third out was recorded, they could have removed that run from the board with a proper "4th out" appeal.  They failed to do so.  No replay to save them or "reverse" anything.

[beerguy55]

19 hours ago, The Man in Blue said:

 

That part is not true for NCAA Softball.

 

I suppose "immediately" is going to be subjective to the umpire.

Yeah - the problem is when people confuse immediately for instantly...otherwise rule 6.2.4 is moot.

I guess how it should be ruled in the OP scenario is that pitcher needs to start the act of appealing R3 "in flow" (?) (for lack of a better expression)....I do hope most would grant at least a few seconds for people to change their mind or realize what's going on...much like "crossing the plane", leaving fair territory would be a pretty good guideline to follow.

If you haven't yet surmised, I HATE that word.  It's as meaningful as "as soon as possible"

• Well, sir, I couldn't possibly be here in less than six months
• Well, sir, since time travel and teleportation are "possible" you should have been here before I asked.

Immediately: without lapse of time; without delay; instantly; at once

Thesaurus strongest matches - instantly, forthwith, directly