Shoddy Advertising & Classifying (CP)

[MadMax]

So this showed up in my eBay notifications as Recommended Buys! (exclamation point not mine).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/225212546269?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=Avivfl6mTia&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=VziYH8tnRdi&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Evidently, it’s a base-entry model of CP from… the. Big. Gold. W. 🙄 Three things!: 

1. It’s at a great price, likely because the Goodwill Store selling it doesn’t know what it is. They think it’s a “Youth” Umpire CP, likely because it’s only 13” (and tagged as such!). Oh poor muffin! If only they knew that umpire CPs are, typically and usually, 12-13”. Besides, there aren’t any youth umpires, c’mon now!
2. It’s commendable that this has hard shoulder pauldrons and a hard sternum, but where is the clavicle protection? Surely a company like Wilson thinks clavicle protection is important, considering that they used to list their WestVest products in the softball section! 
3. Putting that MLB logo on there is misleading and endangering. Don’t they know there are more than a few individuals who base their purchasing decisions on “what the big boys wear”?? 

[Barry Haggard]

Hey Max, 

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/234475108701?hash=item3697ce395d:g:u2MAAOSwXA5iN3RA&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA4AUVYOJNnNCZoQscdIu5P6s%2FpNup1w9lsBQXheL8XhcN6bKm%2Bl3motpP3ZML6Msw0uLhz0ZDhbMiVIb2Qh2%2FPw0G5%2Bsi7IA8afVJrL1LC7FtTfs7B%2BPpEoGd2CB7Xndi%2BaI8steBDclGzPsKHWtn7Dys7i1VGkFWpHtAhBMama0wvL%2FhGUCZZSJfo6QtM773bAkQaBXfqu7beKyYMA8ApHuxriVXVIRMB3gvFaMTAYpe1SufUEnwxgP9wq3ADXbK5gFP%2F%2BfeXTqrvFViNlLwfT64688W1TSJlE8GJiEM6f7o|tkp%3ABk9SR-Szgc2dYQ

[wolfe_man]

22 hours ago, Barry Haggard said:

Hey Max, 

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/234475108701?hash=item3697ce395d:g:u2MAAOSwXA5iN3RA&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA4AUVYOJNnNCZoQscdIu5P6s%2FpNup1w9lsBQXheL8XhcN6bKm%2Bl3motpP3ZML6Msw0uLhz0ZDhbMiVIb2Qh2%2FPw0G5%2Bsi7IA8afVJrL1LC7FtTfs7B%2BPpEoGd2CB7Xndi%2BaI8steBDclGzPsKHWtn7Dys7i1VGkFWpHtAhBMama0wvL%2FhGUCZZSJfo6QtM773bAkQaBXfqu7beKyYMA8ApHuxriVXVIRMB3gvFaMTAYpe1SufUEnwxgP9wq3ADXbK5gFP%2F%2BfeXTqrvFViNlLwfT64688W1TSJlE8GJiEM6f7o|tkp%3ABk9SR-Szgc2dYQ

Interesting.... football pads, eh?

 

That must be a Gen 1 Schutt CP... looks a little different than anything else I've seen from them.

 

@MadMax

[Barry Haggard]

It is an interesting looking critter. 

[FranklinT]

On 12/7/2022 at 12:13 PM, wolfe_man said:

Interesting.... football pads, eh?

 

That must be a Gen 1 Schutt CP... looks a little different than anything else I've seen from them.

 

@MadMax

I vaguely recall this but this was 10+ years ago I think 

[BT_Blue]

On 12/7/2022 at 10:43 AM, Barry Haggard said:

It is an interesting looking critter. 

That is actually a really sharp looking rig if you ask me.

[wolfe_man]

16 hours ago, BT_Blue said:

That is actually a really sharp looking rig if you ask me.

It's neat in appearance, but several gap protection issues are seen here.   It'd take some work to make that thing be protective.  It's not the MaXV.

[MadMax]

On 12/7/2022 at 11:13 AM, wolfe_man said:

That must be a Gen 1 Schutt CP... looks a little different than anything else I've seen from them.

 

On 12/11/2022 at 3:04 PM, FranklinT said:

I vaguely recall this but this was 10+ years ago I think 

 

On 12/7/2022 at 12:43 PM, Barry Haggard said:

It is an interesting looking critter. 

Indeed, it is one of Schutt’s first baseball umpire CPs. I started “serious” umpiring in 2011, and my first hardshell CP was a Schutt AirFlex. I chose Schutt because I had worn Schutt – helmet & shoulder pads – as a football player, and had favored how light their products were. 

I appreciated that Schutt had placed all those ventilation holes in their products; it’s what attracted me to their helmets when I was in high school football. Unlike the Riddell VSR4’s of the time, the Schutt AiR Varsity had seven large diameter holes in the crown, ventilating a much more advanced, fitted foam (and air bladder!) system, far better than the “cheesepacks” that Riddell and All-American were employing. Schutt had inherited the AiR system from Bike and AHI. 

On that one Barry is pointing out, the ventilation holes are only 7-8mm. So, it’s definitely pre-2011, because my AiR Flex has the same 10mm gapers on it the XV is famous for. Notice, too, the lack of T-hooks, the lack of ailettes (gap protectors), and the very odd inclusion and positioning of that… sternum? above-sternum? plate. I wouldn’t have bought this with that arrangement. 

I do give them credit, though… they’re using Brock Beads™️ for the foam jacket instead of upholstery foam, which everybody else used. Brock Beads were closed cell “BBs” jammed into open-cell foam corrugated tubes. It was like a controlled-form beanbag. Ever jump into a bean bag? Very airy. 

Now, the Brock Beads are protective, but they got nothing on D3O, which appeared on the XV. The XV was so named because it debuted in 2015. The D3O material is revolutionary, providing formulaic, gradated resistance-&-recovery from sudden impact, while being hydrophobic and lightweight. 

The dependence on voluminous sofa-cushion foam was completely unnecessary. 

[dumbdumb]

On 12/24/2022 at 1:09 AM, MadMax said:

 

 

Indeed, it is one of Schutt’s first baseball umpire CPs. I started “serious” umpiring in 2011, and my first hardshell CP was a Schutt AirFlex. I chose Schutt because I had worn Schutt – helmet & shoulder pads – as a football player, and had favored how light their products were. 

I appreciated that Schutt had placed all those ventilation holes in their products; it’s what attracted me to their helmets when I was in high school football. Unlike the Riddell VSR4’s of the time, the Schutt AiR Varsity had seven large diameter holes in the crown, ventilating a much more advanced, fitted foam (and air bladder!) system, far better than the “cheesepacks” that Riddell and All-American were employing. Schutt had inherited the AiR system from Bike and AHI. 

On that one Barry is pointing out, the ventilation holes are only 7-8mm. So, it’s definitely pre-2011, because my AiR Flex has the same 10mm gapers on it the XV is famous for. Notice, too, the lack of T-hooks, the lack of ailettes (gap protectors), and the very odd inclusion and positioning of that… sternum? above-sternum? plate. I wouldn’t have bought this with that arrangement. 

I do give them credit, though… they’re using Brock Beads™️ for the foam jacket instead of upholstery foam, which everybody else used. Brock Beads were closed cell “BBs” jammed into open-cell foam corrugated tubes. It was like a controlled-form beanbag. Ever jump into a bean bag? Very airy. 

Now, the Brock Beads are protective, but they got nothing on D3O, which appeared on the XV. The XV was so named because it debuted in 2015. The D3O material is revolutionary, providing formulaic, gradated resistance-&-recovery from sudden impact, while being hydrophobic and lightweight. 

The dependence on voluminous sofa-cushion foam was completely unnecessary. 

But mad max man

 

What about that Carlucci on the market now courtesy of Ted Barrett. You know you want it. he could sign it a couple times for you to confirm the authenticity for historical purposes.

Come on,  you know you want it. call his 1 800 number and make the deal (or steal).