OBR Balk and Pitched ball. Count

[Guest mwalsh425]

Hi Everyone,

I am sorry if this a repeated question or has been answered multiple times before.

Situation:

HS aged Summer baseball playing "Big Book" Balks (Live)

Runner on 2nd.  BALK is called mid delivery for no pause on 1st pitch of AB. The Runner is awarded 3rd. However, The Pitch is fouled off the the screen and Umpire calls out 0-1 is the count.

Should the count have remained 0-0 as the ball was not in play? 

 

Thank you

 

 

 

 

 

[concertman1971]

yes, the count should have remained 0-0

[MadMax]

6 hours ago, Guest mwalsh425 said:

Runner on 2nd.  BALK is called mid delivery for no pause on 1st pitch of AB. The Runner is awarded 3rd. However, The Pitch is fouled off the the screen and Umpire calls out 0-1 is the count.

Order of events is called / administered wrong. It should be: 

1. R2; F1 (pitcher) begins delivery
2. Balk is called
3. Pitch is fouled off (“Foul” is called or signaled)
4. Balk is addressed and enforced; R2 is awarded 3B, Batter returns to/remains in box, and PU states the previous count (no pitch)
5. F1 engages to rubber (with ball), Batter in box, catcher in position, and PU calls/signals “Play”

It’s not that the ball wasn’t in play, it’s that it wasn’t a valid pitch. 

[maven]

Sounds like the umpire was confused with the live-ball balk rule (might be trained for HS rules).

With a live-ball balk, we either enforce the balk and have no pitch, or we ignore the balk (because the batter and all runners reached their advance bases on the play.

In this play, because the batter fouled off the pitch, we enforce the balk (advance runners) and it's no pitch.

[Jimurray]

2 hours ago, maven said:

Sounds like the umpire was confused with the live-ball balk rule (might be trained for HS rules).

With a live-ball balk, we either enforce the balk and have no pitch, or we ignore the balk (because the batter and all runners reached their advance bases on the play.

In this play, because the batter fouled off the pitch, we enforce the balk (advance runners) and it's no pitch.

There are two other situations that don’t fall into your either or. Wild pitch with runner/s advancing at least 1 base. Balk is ignored for them but acknowledged for the batter unless the wild pitch was ball 4 that advanced all. 
Wild pickoff with runner/s advancing at least 1 base. Balk is ignored.