Tagged the runner on a force

[Guest Mers]

Bases loaded 2 outs, fly to left field and not caught.  3rd base scores man on 2nd is tagged out at third.  Should be a force for 3rd out.  Umpire said since he tagged him the run counts? 

[SH0102]

23 minutes ago, Guest Mers said:

Bases loaded 2 outs, fly to left field and not caught.  3rd base scores man on 2nd is tagged out at third.  Should be a force for 3rd out.  Umpire said since he tagged him the run counts? 

Force is not defined by how a runner is or can be put out.  A force is defined by whether the runner was forced to advance or not.

With bases loaded, runner on 2nd is forced to advance and as such, no run counts, whether he is out bc base or body is tagged.

[Senor Azul]

Actually in high school baseball rules the definition of the term force-out does include how a runner can be put out--

2020 NFHS rule 2

SECTION 24 OUT: FORCE-OUT, PUTOUT, STRIKEOUT, TAG OUT, THROW-OUT
 

ART. 1 . . . A force-out is a putout during which a runner who is being forced to advance is tagged out, or is put out by a fielder who holds the ball while touching the base toward which the forced runner is advancing (9-1-1 for special case.)

Official Baseball Rules (OBR) answers your question in its 2021 rule 5.09(b)(6)  Any runner is out when...

He or the next base is tagged before he touches the next  base, after he has been forced to advance by reason of the batter becoming a runner. However, if a following runner is put out on a force play, the force is removed and the runner must be tagged to be put out. The force is removed as soon as the runner touches the base to which he is forced to advance, and if he overslides or overruns the base, the runner must be tagged to be put out. However, if the forced runner, after touching the next base, retreats for any reason towards the base he had last occupied, the force play is reinstated, and he can again be put out if the defense tags the base to which he is forced;

 

The umpire in your game, unfortunately, was wrong.

[noumpere]

9 hours ago, Guest Mers said:

Bases loaded 2 outs, fly to left field and not caught.  3rd base scores man on 2nd is tagged out at third.  Should be a force for 3rd out.  Umpire said since he tagged him the run counts? 

"force out" and "tagging the base to get an out" are not synonyms.  You can have either without the other.

[beerguy55]

On 5/7/2022 at 8:25 PM, Guest Mers said:

Bases loaded 2 outs, fly to left field and not caught.  3rd base scores man on 2nd is tagged out at third.  Should be a force for 3rd out.  Umpire said since he tagged him the run counts? 

This is why they have protest procedures...coaches should understand these processes.  Umpire got the rules wrong, no point in arguing...protest...in most tournament formats this would be addressed immediately.

And if there is no protest (eg. league formats the protests happen later, typically - and wouldn't happen if the team won game anyway) then there are mechanisms to file/report the error so the umpire can be properly educated.

Unless, of course, R2 had passed third and was then tagged...that would not be a force.