Thrown out of play

[Vegas_Ump]

Rules:  OBR (may apply to others)

Sitch:  R3, R1, one out.  Long fly to left field.  R3 breaks, thinking there were two outs. F7 makes a great catch and guns it towards F5 to get the appeal on R3.  As R3 is legally sliding back to tag up, the ball ticks off F5's glove and heads out of play (into the dugout).  At the time of F7's throw, R1 had not yet attained 2B.  But at the time the new impetus was imparted to the ball by F5's glove, R1 had attained 2B.

Do you give two bases to R1 from his position at the time of F7's throw or the time the ball was deflected?

Mike

Las Vegas

[LMSANS]

The rule is time of throw. The deflection (new impetus)is not a baseball thing.

[noumpere]

23 minutes ago, LMSANS said:

The rule is time of throw. The deflection (new impetus)is not a baseball thing.

"New impetus" is a thing.  A deflection is not new impetus.

[SH0102]

Couple questions to guide your thought process…

When is a thrown ball no longer a thrown ball?  If the SS throws high to first and it tips off the 1B glove and goes into stands, do you give two bases from the tip ?

new impetus would be for situations such as offline throw that has come to rest or nearly to rest, and in his haste to chase it down, F5 kicks the ball, or slips and kicks the ball out

[beerguy55]

4 hours ago, LMSANS said:

The rule is time of throw. The deflection (new impetus)is not a baseball thing.

As said, deflection is not impetus (new or other).   The 'force' of the ball's movement came from the throw...though deflected and/or redirected, the force is still from the throw.  Think of it in terms of acceleration...if something causes the ball to accelerate then that new point of acceleration becomes your "time of throw".  (throw being a general catch-all term)