4th Out?

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R3, R2

2 Out

 

Ground ball to SS

R3 scores before R 2 is tagged out.

3 Out

SS then notices that the B/R tripped and has not yet reached 1B so they throw him out.

Is this considered an advantageous 4th out in OBR and/or FED?

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Wendelstedt 2015

An apparent fourth out is an out recorded ,upon appeal,  following the third out of a half inning which benefits the defense in preventing the offense of team from scoring runs. (Pg1)

 

”Apparent “Fourth” Outs

Appeal  plays may require an umpire to recognize an apparent fourth out.
If the third out is made during a play and then an appeal play a sustained the defense me elect to take the out which is advantageous to take and runs off the board. Also if there was more than one appeal during a play that ends a half inning the defense may elect to take the play that gives them the advantage in taking runs of the board. (Pg 214) 7.10 (d)

 

...”The casebook that specified the ruling (apparent 4th out) could only be sustained on appeals of bases missed or not properly tagged up from” (pg 224)

[Replacematt]

On 6/10/2021 at 12:02 PM, beerguy55 said:

I'm glad you brought this up.  I do think the OBR interpretation potentially introduces some gamesmanship scenarios.  eg...R3 gets huge jump, crosses plate by the time F6 fields ground ball...R2, seeing F6 is going to throw out B/R, abandons and gets called out before the play on first (or pulls a killdeer and baits F6 to tagging him)

 

And, yes, you can challenge your own safe...https://baseballrulesacademy.com/toronto-manager-trades-out-for-run-then-as-protest-game/

R2 abandoning before the out on B/R is physically impossible without a miscue from the defense.

[beerguy55]

8 hours ago, Matt said:

R2 abandoning before the out on B/R is physically impossible without a miscue from the defense.

Depends on how quick on the trigger the ump is.   FED (I believe?) requires the fielder to enter DBT, but I think OBR is more touchy-feely on it, no?  Abandonment could conceivably be called after a few steps...especially if R2 is heading to the first base dugout.