Is this "control"?

[Jimurray]

7 minutes ago, ousafe said:

What is the "meathook interpretation"?  Search didn't help me...

They started the season in 2014 with requiring the ball to be clearly in the throwing hand (meathook) as it was coming out of the glove to allow it to be judged on the transfer. I don't know who used that term but it was associated with the interp.

[SeeingEyeDog]

For all the people commenting on the fielder deliberately popping the ball from his glove to his throwing hand...yes, this kind of transfer is absolutely executed by elite players. But...

...the ball hits the ground here. If a fielder pops the ball out of his glove, catches it in his throwing hand and then controls the ball in his bare hand while in contact with the base on a force play before then throwing the ball on a voluntary release and the ball never hits the ground prior to the voluntary release? That's an out.

But again, what we have here is the pop out of the glove, no voluntary release...and the ball on the ground. In the end, a judgement call that went to replay and stands as an out but, U2 kicked it in MY judgement.

~Dog

[Jimurray]

20 hours ago, Jimurray said:

They started the season in 2014 with requiring the ball to be clearly in the throwing hand (meathook) as it was coming out of the glove to allow it to be judged on the transfer. I don't know who used that term but it was associated with the interp.

I might be suffering from oldtimers. The term might have been meat hand.

[beerguy55]

23 hours ago, SeeingEyeDog said:

But...

...the ball hits the ground here. If a fielder pops the ball out of his glove, catches it in his throwing hand and then controls the ball in his bare hand while in contact with the base on a force play before then throwing the ball on a voluntary release and the ball never hits the ground prior to the voluntary release? That's an out.

Not relevant...what you're describing is control in the throwing hand...you're not recognizing anything before that as "control", and in that respect it doesn't matter how the ball got from the glove to the hand - because he's still touching the base when he controls the ball in his throwing hand...the reality is, elite ball players control the ball with their glove, even if it's for a fraction of a second - that they missed on the transfer doesn't matter, no different than if he had reached into the glove and knock the ball out without ever holding it in the bare hand - or to expand on your example...if the ball was in the glove when F6 was touching the base,  but by the time it popped out and successfully into his bare hand his foot was off the base you'd call the runner safe?  He would/should be out...he had control while touching the base.  The intentional pop/direct out of the glove IS the voluntary release.

That, IMO, is why the call wasn't overturned...there wasn't enough there to suggest that he wasn't intentionally popping it out (as opposed to just not catching it)

[jms1425]

On 9/2/2020 at 8:08 AM, maven said:

Omar Vizquel, great fun. Played with a 9-inch glove because he's not comfortable with anything larger. He grew up in Venezuela playing ball with NO glove, and prefers being able to feel the ball.

Not sure the relevance, but I guess it concerns 'control'. His transfer is quick.

Omar was amazing, and the greatest defensive SS in MLB history. We can argue about Ozzie, but that's it. Omar belongs in the Hall of Fame.

As for relevance, there was mention of whether the fielder in the OP had control, whether it was on the  transfer, etc. The video is a comment on how "loosely" a MLB player may control the ball, yet it is still under his control, and how quickly he may be transferring the ball from glove to hand might make it seem he never had control, yet he did. And also a chance for me to tout one of the greatest players in history, who played for my favorite team.

[Replacematt]

On 9/2/2020 at 5:13 PM, SeeingEyeDog said:

For all the people commenting on the fielder deliberately popping the ball from his glove to his throwing hand...yes, this kind of transfer is absolutely executed by elite players. But...

...the ball hits the ground here. If a fielder pops the ball out of his glove, catches it in his throwing hand and then controls the ball in his bare hand while in contact with the base on a force play before then throwing the ball on a voluntary release and the ball never hits the ground prior to the voluntary release? That's an out.

But again, what we have here is the pop out of the glove, no voluntary release...and the ball on the ground. In the end, a judgement call that went to replay and stands as an out but, U2 kicked it in MY judgement.

~Dog

Again, there doesn't need to be voluntary release.