More HS Football issues

[Mudisfun]

Just saw this on Yahoo News... Another assault/attack during a HS Football game and immediately after now involving some adults.

Is it any wonder with a sport as violent as Football that these issues keep occurring? Seems like youth sports is just getting worse and worse...

 

http://news.yahoo.com/high-school-football-player-kicks-164924563.html

 

[scrounge]

I dunno...i've only heard of two officials being killed in recent years. And they were both soccer officials.

Youth sports violence isn't new, neither is football. The ability to hear about these incidents and the general, degrading coarseness of society is the driver here.

[Richvee]

"A Lakewood player's family pushed the security guard aside and then attacked 4 of our players. Two were struck in the face and two were grabbed by the neck. Physically bruised but I am sure emotionally not okay."

I'm in no way condoning the actions here of this "family", but this statement makes me as sick as the BS going on on the field......Really?? Your player can kick an opponent in the head when his helmet falls off and that doesn't bother him, but when he gets punched, he's scared for life? It's all so sickening.  

[Replacematt]

"A Lakewood player's family pushed the security guard aside and then attacked 4 of our players. Two were struck in the face and two were grabbed by the neck. Physically bruised but I am sure emotionally not okay."

I'm in no way condoning the actions here of this "family", but this statement makes me as sick as the BS going on on the field......Really?? Your player can kick an opponent in the head when his helmet falls off and that doesn't bother him, but when he gets punched, he's scared for life? It's all so sickening.  

From the article, I'm not sure if they attacked the culprit.

[Richvee]

From the article, I'm not sure if they attacked the culprit.

Fair point. 

[kylehutson]

Is it any wonder with a sport as violent as Football that these issues keep occurring?

I have a different take on this. Yes, football is violent, and there's a reason for that. Teenage boys are experiencing large amounts of testosterone for the first time in their lives and are prone to being violent. That violence will take place in one of several ways - going off to fight wars, beating up anybody smaller than you, or getting on a football field and whacking the snot out of your opponent. Personally, I'm all for the "with pads and helmets" option.

[Tksjewelry]

Is it any wonder with a sport as violent as Football that these issues keep occurring? 

 

*eyeroll*

[Mudisfun]

My comment is not really directed to the sport itself but the manner in which these impressionable kids are being instructed in its play. Instructing these kids to hurt the other team, take em out, kill em etc, etc... Even at a Pee Wee game the number of F bombs being dropped, the screaming at the players as loud as possible and the instruction to be as violent as possible I find disheartening. Thrown in the observations that @kylehutson just made about kids who are rapidly becoming men and that makes it just all the worse.

The actions of the players are bad but the adults behaving badly and being the worse role models possible is what I find so sad. Maybe I am just naive.

[Mudisfun]

*eyeroll*

Close as I could find for ya.

[kylehutson]

My comment is not really directed to the sport itself but the manner in which these impressionable kids are being instructed in its play. Instructing these kids to hurt the other team, take em out, kill em etc, etc... Even at a Pee Wee game the number of F bombs being dropped, the screaming at the players as loud as possible and the instruction to be as violent as possible I find disheartening. Thrown in the observations that @kylehutson just made about kids who are rapidly becoming men and that makes it just all the worse.

The actions of the players are bad but the adults behaving badly and being the worse role models possible is what I find so sad. Maybe I am just naive.

I understand what you're saying, but it's really no different than any other sport. In baseball you hear "wear it", "take one for the team", and even occasionally "plow 'em". Not to mention the "unwritten rules" of tit-for-tat on a HBP.

Your point about "adults behaving badly" is much more relevant, as sportsmanship shows through at all levels of all sports. I've often said of my kids' high school football coach that you might find a coach that will win them more games, but you won't find a coach that will teach them more about life using football as an object lesson.

[Mike Walsh]

Just saw this on Yahoo News... Another assault/attack during a HS Football game and immediately after now involving some adults.

Is it any wonder with a sport as violent as Football that these issues keep occurring? Seems like youth sports is just getting worse and worse...

 

http://news.yahoo.com/high-school-football-player-kicks-164924563.html

 

George Carlin:

Baseball is different from any other sport, very different. For instance, in most sports you score points or goals; in baseball you score runs. In most sports the ball, or object, is put in play by the offensive team; in baseball the defensive team puts the ball in play, and only the defense is allowed to touch the ball. In fact, in baseball if an offensive player touches the ball intentionally, he's out; sometimes unintentionally, he's out.

Also: in football,basketball, soccer, volleyball, and all sports played with a ball, you score with the ball and in baseball the ball prevents you from scoring.

In most sports the team is run by a coach; in baseball the team is run by a manager. And only in baseball does the manager or coach wear the same clothing the players do. If you'd ever seen John Madden in his Oakland Raiders uniform,you'd know the reason for this custom.

Now, I've mentioned football. Baseball & football are the two most popular spectator sports in this country. And as such, it seems they ought to be able to tell us something about ourselves and our values.

I enjoy comparing baseball and football:

Baseball is a nineteenth-century pastoral game.
Football is a twentieth-century technological struggle.

Baseball is played on a diamond, in a park.The baseball park!
Football is played on a gridiron, in a stadium, sometimes called Soldier Field or War Memorial Stadium.

Baseball begins in the spring, the season of new life.
Football begins in the fall, when everything's dying.

In football you wear a helmet.
In baseball you wear a cap.

Football is concerned with downs - what down is it?
Baseball is concerned with ups - who's up?

In football you receive a penalty.
In baseball you make an error.

In football the specialist comes in to kick.
In baseball the specialist comes in to relieve somebody.

Football has hitting, clipping, spearing, piling on, personal fouls, late hitting and unnecessary roughness.
Baseball has the sacrifice.

Football is played in any kind of weather: rain, snow, sleet, hail, fog...
In baseball, if it rains, we don't go out to play.

Baseball has the seventh inning stretch.
Football has the two minute warning.

Baseball has no time limit: we don't know when it's gonna end - might have extra innings.
Football is rigidly timed, and it will end even if we've got to go to sudden death.

In baseball, during the game, in the stands, there's kind of a picnic feeling; emotions may run high or low, but there's not too much unpleasantness.
In football, during the game in the stands, you can be sure that at least twenty-seven times you're capable of taking the life of a fellow human being.

And finally, the objectives of the two games are completely different:

In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll be safe at home!

[Mudisfun]

I understand what you're saying, but it's really no different than any other sport. In baseball you hear "wear it", "take one for the team", and even occasionally "plow 'em". Not to mention the "unwritten rules" of tit-for-tat on a HBP.

Your point about "adults behaving badly" is much more relevant, as sportsmanship shows through at all levels of all sports. I've often said of my kids' high school football coach that you might find a coach that will win them more games, but you won't find a coach that will teach them more about life using football as an object lesson.

I had a game this Sunday... TB 14-18 year old players... One dugout is all F Bombs and negativity the other? Coach teaching the positives... example... ring a batter out on a 12/6 curve. I know he did not like it and so did the coach. What did he yell to his player? BODY LANGUAGE! Another play B/R gets banged at 1st by my partner. Again you can tell the runner is not sold... BODY LANGUAGE! This man was not only teaching the game but the lessons on how to be that next level player. The other coach? Teaching the game but providing no guidance as to how to be well rounded young men.

Guess which team won... Hint? No F bombs... I hope one day when these players have kids learning the game these are the lessons that get passed on and not the other coaches.

[ricka56]

I have a different take on this. Yes, football is violent, and there's a reason for that. Teenage boys are experiencing large amounts of testosterone for the first time in their lives and are prone to being violent. That violence will take place in one of several ways - going off to fight wars, beating up anybody smaller than you, or getting on a football field and whacking the snot out of your opponent. Personally, I'm all for the "with pads and helmets" option.

Dog on the farm gets into the chickens and kills an egg laying hen. The next to die is the dog because once the dog gets the taste of killing, he is likely to repeat it...

...are human males much different ?