Broken leg turning DP

[stkjock]

no ...he's TRYING to type them ...but the filter blocks most words ..........

Try typing Tim M c C a r v e r .....

yea, I know..... it's a joke... 

 

also the filter blocks them differently then how they are typed above...

 

 

Tim He-who-shall-not-be-named

 

/\ LOL guess he's not liked around these parts

 

 

[Jimurray]

OK. Fair enough.

So then why did we not get the INT DP for the play that @ricka56 referenced in his post? Utley certainly did not advance normally with a slide within reach of the base. He was obviously trying to "break up 2" and we did have the neighborhood play called and we certainly had F6 clearing the area near 2B.

If Utley is runner in the OP he, in the "judgement of the umpire", slid in a bona fide effort to reach and stay on 2B and was able to reach the base with a hand or foot. While he may have willfully done that to breakup the DP, he complied with the MLBUM guidance to umpires. I've seen worse no-called and less called.

Edited September 18, 2015 by Jimurray

[dookiexman]

If Utley is runner in the OP he, in the "judgement of the umpire", slid in a bona fide effort to reach and stay on 2B and was able to reach the base with a hand or foot. While he may have willfully done that to breakup the DP, he complied with the MLBUM guidance to umpires. I've seen worse no-called and less called.

No. I agree the OP is within the MLBUM guidance. 

Utley is the runner in the linked play that was posted as a Mark Twain quote.

[Jimurray]

No. I agree the OP is within the MLBUM guidance. 

Utley is the runner in the linked play that was posted as a Mark Twain quote.

That was worse no-called

[stkjock]

Kang injury should lead to a change in the rulebook

http://espn.go.com/blog/buster-olney/insider/post?id=11206

 

[ElkOil]

That was malicious neither by rule (the term has no application in pro ball) nor in intent. He was trying to "break up 2," and the injury was an unfortunate consequence of Kang having his weight in the wrong place at the wrong time. I shudder to think how you'd respond to the way Pete Rose — much less Ty Cobb — played the game.

For those who wax nostalgic for the neighborhood play: that's a feature of a bygone era, and it's never coming back. You can bitch and moan all you want, but in the age of HD cameras and super slo mo, the neighborhood play is not a tag and can't yield an out.

If pro ball wants to reduce this type of injury, it will institute the FPSR. Until then, this play is completely legal.

I didn't think my post through well enough before typing.  Yes, in MLB this is legal.  My point was more along the lines of believing the FPSR should be instituted since a player can legally make that type of contact with intent to break up the play, regardless of the result.  It doesn't seem right to me, and there's only so much onus you can put on the defensive player when he's not the one sliding into anyone.  The fact that a runner can purposely collide with a player, break his leg, then get up and trot off the field confident he played within the rules seems unacceptable to me.  But my opinion and a couple bucks will get me a cup of coffee...

[Rich Ives]

Of course it has to do with the neighborhood play. Rule geeks want middle infielders to hold the bag on the DP (like Kang did here).  If the neighborhood play is eliminated (no more outs given) without providing a protected area (like HS), then this kind of injury will increase (IMO). If you want F4/F6 to hold the bag, close hunting season for R1. 

There are many many ways to get the base tagged and stay pretty much out of harm's way.

This isn't a regular happening. In fact it's really really rare.

And don't do the pivot the same way every time. Keep the runner guessing as to where you;'ll be.

[ricka56]

There are many many ways to get the base tagged and stay pretty much out of harm's way. Only if you have time. If no time, the pivot man is a sitting duck

This isn't a regular happening. In fact it's really really rare. Colliding with the pivot man is not rare (every R1 thinks it's his job) ... breaking his leg is rare.  

And don't do the pivot the same way every time. Keep the runner guessing as to where you;'ll be. you mean like this ?

 

[Rich Ives]

 

Every year kids die playing football. Let's ban it.

And watch pro pivot men instead of the umpires when you watch an MLB game. They vary their approach and are quite adept at not being in a direct line of fire.

[Jimurray]

Every year kids die playing football. Let's ban it.

And watch pro pivot men instead of the umpires when you watch an MLB game. They vary their approach and are quite adept at not being in a direct line of fire.

Would you be happy with no interference on this slide if it was done on a LL field? It meets legal requirements and is condoned at the pro level. There is also wording in the MLBUM that also could be used to justify interference at other levels.

[Platejob29]

That was malicious neither by rule (the term has no application in pro ball) nor in intent. He was trying to "break up 2," and the injury was an unfortunate consequence of Kang having his weight in the wrong place at the wrong time. I shudder to think how you'd respond to the way Pete Rose — much less Ty Cobb — played the game.

For those who wax nostalgic for the neighborhood play: that's a feature of a bygone era, and it's never coming back. You can bitch and moan all you want, but in the age of HD cameras and super slo mo, the neighborhood play is not a tag and can't yield an out.

If pro ball wants to reduce this type of injury, it will institute the FPSR. Until then, this play is completely legal.

Except that MLB has specific rules regarding the neighborhood play as well as rules for replay use on the neighborhood play. So to say it's never coming back when they just wrote brand new rules specifically for it is a little bit of a false statement I think. 

[johnnyg08]

Looks like a productive thread.