FED Rule 6-2-4, d 1

[kstrunk]

This paragraph seems contradictory, so I must be missing something. "In a, b, & c, if the pitcher legally delivers the ball, it shall be called a strike and the ball remains live".

So if the batter steps out, or attempt to get time out but doesn't, and the ball is legally delivered, it's automatically a strike?

That sounds like a penalty to me, but in the previous sentence, it says in a, & c, there is no penalty?

What am I missing?

[Jimurray]

This paragraph seems contradictory, so I must be missing something. "In a, b, & c, if the pitcher legally delivers the ball, it shall be called a strike and the ball remains live".

So if the batter steps out, or attempt to get time out but doesn't, and the ball is legally delivered, it's automatically a strike?

That sounds like a penalty to me, but in the previous sentence, it says in a, & c, there is no penalty?

What am I missing?

The first sentence refers to when the pitcher stops or hesitates his delivery.

[kstrunk]

This paragraph seems contradictory, so I must be missing something. "In a, b, & c, if the pitcher legally delivers the ball, it shall be called a strike and the ball remains live".

So if the batter steps out, or attempt to get time out but doesn't, and the ball is legally delivered, it's automatically a strike?

That sounds like a penalty to me, but in the previous sentence, it says in a, & c, there is no penalty?

What am I missing?

The first sentence refers to when the pitcher stops or hesitates his delivery.

The first sentence would constitute an illegal delivery. The part in question is a legal delivery that seems to be an automatic strike.

I'm thinking of a situation where the batter requests time, doesn't get it, the pitcher legally delivers the ball, is this rule in play? I know that sounds ridiculous, but the way this is written makes me wonder.

[Jimurray]

This paragraph seems contradictory, so I must be missing something. "In a, b, & c, if the pitcher legally delivers the ball, it shall be called a strike and the ball remains live".

So if the batter steps out, or attempt to get time out but doesn't, and the ball is legally delivered, it's automatically a strike?

That sounds like a penalty to me, but in the previous sentence, it says in a, & c, there is no penalty?

What am I missing?

The first sentence refers to when the pitcher stops or hesitates his delivery.

The first sentence would constitute an illegal delivery. The part in question is a legal delivery that seems to be an automatic strike.

I'm thinking of a situation where the batter requests time, doesn't get it, the pitcher legally delivers the ball, is this rule in play? I know that sounds ridiculous, but the way this is written makes me wonder.

A legal delivery would be an automatic strike. As far as getting 2 strikes in (b), most of us would not and the requirement to "delay the game" in a caseplay muddies the issue enough to call it that way.

[JaxRolo]

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[kstrunk]

When asking about a rule please post the entire rule.

Don't always have the books handy to look it up.

 

 

Art. 4... Balk. If there is a runner or runners, any of the following acts by a pitcher while he is touching the pitcher's plate is a balk: 

d. failing to pitch to the batter in a continuous motion immediately after any movement of any part of the body such as he habitually uses in his delivery;

1. If the pitcher, with a runner on base, stops or hesitates in his delivery because the batter steps out of the box (a) with one foot or (b) with both feet or © holds up his hand to request "Time", it shall not be a balk. In (a) and ©, there is no penalty on either the batter or the pitcher. The umpire shall call "Time" and begin play anew. In (b), a strike shall be called on the batter for violation of 7-3-1. In (a), (b), and ©, if the pitcher legally delivers the ball, it shall be called a strike and the ball remains live. Thus, two strikes are called on the batter in (b). If the umpire judges the batter's action to be a deliberate attempt to create a balk, he will penalize according to 3-3-1 o. 

[noumpere]

1) If the batter steps out with one foot, or holds up his hand:

 

a) If the pitcher stops, then there's no penalty (on either the batter or the pitcher).

 

b) If the pitcher delivers, then it's automatically a strike (in FED -- in OBR, you call the pitch on its merits).

 

2) If the batter steps out with two feet

 

a) If the pitcher stops, a penalty strike on the batter for delaying the game.

 

b) If the pitcher delivers, then it's automatically a strike (in FED -- in OBR, you call the pitch on its merits).  My advice is to ignore the part about two strikes -- it's left over from a previous change and should not apply.  Now, if "everyone" in your area calls the two strikes, then go ahead and do so.

[Thunderheads]

1) If the batter steps out with one foot, or holds up his hand:

 

a) If the pitcher stops, then there's no penalty (on either the batter or the pitcher).

 

b) If the pitcher delivers, then it's automatically a strike (in FED -- in OBR, you call the pitch on its merits).

 

2) If the batter steps out with two feet

 

a) If the pitcher stops, a penalty strike on the batter for delaying the game.

 

b) If the pitcher delivers, then it's automatically a strike (in FED -- in OBR, you call the pitch on its merits).  My advice is to ignore the part about two strikes -- it's left over from a previous change and should not apply.  Now, if "everyone" in your area calls the two strikes, then go ahead and do so.

^^^^^^^^^^

I'd be willing to bet that 99% of all HS coaches do not know this rule for FED.  And, God forbid you pull the "2 strikes" call on them! LOL

[kstrunk]

So grateful guys! Huge help, especially the differences. I gotta get that BRD book!

On another note, I'm not very excited about the FED rules. Why the need to be different?

[JaxRolo]

So grateful guys! Huge help, especially the differences. I gotta get that BRD book!

On another note, I'm not very excited about the FED rules. Why the need to be different?

FED 'tries" to focus on Safety, sportmanship and they dumb down the rules for Umpires. They have no faith on umpire rules knowledge.

[kstrunk]

I see... I guess my problem with that is the failure to recognize that most of their umpires start at LL, using OBR (basically), making the transition a bit more difficult than necessary. Ughh

[conbo61]

1. If the pitcher, with a runner on base, stops or hesitates in his delivery because the batter steps out of the box (a) with one foot or (b) with both feet or © holds up his hand to request "Time," it shall not be a balk. In (a) and ©, there is no penalty on either the batter or the pitcher. The umpire shall call "Time" and begin play anew. In (b), a strike shall be called on the batter for violation of 7-3-1. In (a), (b) and ©, if the pitcher ­legally delivers the ball, it shall be called a strike and the ball remains live. Thus, two strikes are called on the batter in (b). If the umpire judges the batter's action to be a deliberate attempt to create a balk, he will penalize according to 3-3-1m.

 

 

Its a two-parter.

 

If the pitcher stops or hesitates his delivery then there is no penalty for a) OR c).  If the batter steps out with BOTH feet and the pitcher stops or hesitates, then a strike will be called.  In that case it does not matter if the ball was delivered, legally or not.

 

In the second part, if the pitcher does not alter his delivery, and he legally delivers the ball, it is an automatic strike.

 

As Jax pointed out, this is aimed toward sportsmanship.  They do not want batters trying to "induce" a balk.

[conbo61]

When asking about a rule please post the entire rule.

Don't always have the books handy to look it up.

 

I though a Chief ALWAYS knows the answers off the top of their cover...

 

[JaxRolo]

 

When asking about a rule please post the entire rule.

Don't always have the books handy to look it up.

 

I though a Chief ALWAYS knows the answers off the top of their cover...

 

 

I always have an answer! Whether is the correct answer or not its a different story!

[conbo61]

 

 

When asking about a rule please post the entire rule.

Don't always have the books handy to look it up.

 

I though a Chief ALWAYS knows the answers off the top of their cover...

 

 

I always have an answer! Whether is the correct answer or not its a different story!

 

 

THOSE were the Chiefs I knew.

 

(BTW - Good answer  )