Base award and retouch

[lawump]

FWIW, the procedure in the OP is for OBR - not Fed.  In Fed, the award is based on the last legally touched base, so you would award third and then see what happens.  As noumpere said, if he's on or beyond second when the ball entered DBT, he would still be out on appeal whether he went back and touched first or not.

Except in South Carolina high school baseball...where we don't have appeals.  At the end of the play in the OP, in South Carolina high school baseball, we would call the runner out. 

 

Yup, the defense screwed up big time in throwing the ball into DBT...but we will call the runner out...without the defense having made an appeal.

 

I go over this exact play every January during our rules meetings.  And every year I tell our guys, "I hope I'm not the one to have this play because whomever does is going to have a big SH*#house."

[basejester]

If a player were really, really on top of things, he could intentionally throw the ball out of play to get the out under Fed rules. 

[noumpere]

If a player were really, really on top of things, he could intentionally throw the ball out of play to get the out under Fed rules. 

No, he couldn't.  There's a specific exception that disallows this.

[basejester]

 

No, he couldn't.  There's a specific exception that disallows this.

 

Good to know.  Might be hard to tell.

[DVA7130]

where we don't have appeals.

W.O.W.

[bam]

My question is this - how long are you going to give the offense to figure it out?  

[SureAm]

FWIW, the procedure in the OP is for OBR - not Fed.  In Fed, the award is based on the last legally touched base, so you would award third and then see what happens.  As noumpere said, if he's on or beyond second when the ball entered DBT, he would still be out on appeal whether he went back and touched first or not.

Except in South Carolina high school baseball...where we don't have appeals.  At the end of the play in the OP, in South Carolina high school baseball, we would call the runner out. 

 

Yup, the defense screwed up big time in throwing the ball into DBT...but we will call the runner out...without the defense having made an appeal.

 

I go over this exact play every January during our rules meetings.  And every year I tell our guys, "I hope I'm not the one to have this play because whomever does is going to have a big SH*#house."

You think that's going to be a SH*#house, what's gonna happen when it's an apparent 4th out appeal and you have to call it?

SC REALLY shouldn't put us in that situation... Defense should have to at least notice it and do the "Fedlandia" dead ball appeal thingy to get this called, especially if it takes a run off the board.

[Replacematt]

My question is this - how long are you going to give the offense to figure it out?  

 

Until he touches the next base. Chances are he's not going to just stand there. He's going to do something. 

 

That brings up the next can of worms (non-FED): Let's say it's R1, and he's between 2B and 3B at the time the ball goes out of play. We all agree that once he reaches 3B, he cannot correct his error. What if he goes back around 2B to correct it, but decides to turn back and go to home before the correction? Is 2B now his advance base, and is he no longer allowed to go back to 1B to correct it after advancing back past 2B?

[grayhawk]

 

My question is this - how long are you going to give the offense to figure it out?  

 

Until he touches the next base. Chances are he's not going to just stand there. He's going to do something. 

 

That brings up the next can of worms (non-FED): Let's say it's R1, and he's between 2B and 3B at the time the ball goes out of play. We all agree that once he reaches 3B, he cannot correct his error. What if he goes back around 2B to correct it, but decides to turn back and go to home before the correction? Is 2B now his advance base, and is he no longer allowed to go back to 1B to correct it after advancing back past 2B?

 

 

I would still consider 3B his "advance" base, since it's the one he had not YET reached when the ball entered DBT.