Out of Order Compromise

[TheGeneral]

Let's play a little "choose your own adventure story," shall we?

 

Rec league middle school. Early in the game. No outs. Away team Player B bats out of order, watches 4 straight balls and walks. Home scorekeeper notices, brings attention to manager, who brings it to you.  

 

While confirming the lineup, the managers talk and agree it's no big deal and decide to let it slide, just have Player A bat in Player B's spot.

 

 

Would you:

1. Figure it's rec league, as long as the coaches are happy, use that and continue play?

or

2. Ignore the compromise, enforce the out?

 

If you picked 1, go to 3.  If you picked 2, go to 4.

 

 

3. Player A hits into a double play, you wipe off the sweat as the compromise didn't make much of a difference.  Move to the bottom of the last inning.  2 outs.  Home team is losing, ducks on the pond.  Player D gets a hit, driving in enough runs to tie and win the game.  However, it was Player C's turn to bat, who has just been skipped.  

 

Away manager comes with the out of order, stating it's different than earlier and actually altered the course of the game, offering the solution of resetting the field and bring up the proper batter.  Home manager argues that it should be allowed, since they let the away team get away with it earlier, no matter the outcome.

What do you do?
 

4. Same situation as 3, except special needs Player E thinks it's his or her turn to bat.  First pitch swinging, same result.  Away manager comes with you didn't let us do it, they don't get it either.  Home manager comes with the player wasn't supposed to go out there, but everything happened too fast and nobody was able to stop it before it was too late.  Meanwhile, the fielders are lining up and the home team has cleared the dugout and hoisted Player E into the air, celebrating his or her first hit that just won them the game.

 

Your call?

[grayhawk]

Just enforce the rules as written.  The managers shouldn't be talking about it at all.  Once the defense notified the umpire, it's his responsibility to enforce the BOO rule.  If the defense didn't think it was a big deal, then they could have said nothing.

[Jocko]

I know this was meant to be sorta whimsical, but we MUST adhere to the written rules.

[Stan W.]

deals with the devil always come with a price to pay.......call the rule......or accept that the old adage that "no good deed goes unpunished"....

[bluejerred]

If you give the rats a cookie.....

[BretMan]

Somebody's always going to be mad at you. I'd rather have them be mad at me because I enforced a rule exactly as it's written, than be mad at me because I was just making stuff up as I went along.

[tiger49]

Anybody thinking of dumping or at very minimum talking to the Scorekeeper about keeping their mouth shut?

[Larry in TN]

Anybody thinking of dumping or at very minimum talking to the Scorekeeper about keeping their mouth shut?

 

Sounds like it was the home team's scorer, not an impartial game scorer.  

[TStokes97]

Anybody thinking of dumping or at very minimum talking to the Scorekeeper about keeping their mouth shut?

No because the score keeper went to the manager, if they complained to you its different

[maven]

Anybody thinking of dumping or at very minimum talking to the Scorekeeper about keeping their mouth shut?

 

No.

1. It's a middle school game.
2. The scorekeeper did nothing wrong: anyone, offense, defense, or umpire, may report BOO (or MYTAB).
3. If a fan tells coach, "Hey, my kid shoulda batted after Skippy," are you gonna toss the fan, too?
4. What's the big secret? If a team doesn't want to be penalized for BOO, they can send the right kid to the plate.

[Replacematt]

• It's a middle school game.
• The scorekeeper did nothing wrong: anyone, offense, defense, or umpire, may report BOO (or MYTAB).
• If a fan tells coach, "Hey, my kid shoulda batted after Skippy," are you gonna toss the fan, too?
• What's the big secret? If a team doesn't want to be penalized for BOO, they can send the right kid to the plate.

Uh...you sure about all of the above?

[maven]

 

•  
• It's a middle school game.
• The scorekeeper did nothing wrong: anyone, offense, defense, or umpire, may report BOO (or MYTAB).
• If a fan tells coach, "Hey, my kid shoulda batted after Skippy," are you gonna toss the fan, too?
• What's the big secret? If a team doesn't want to be penalized for BOO, they can send the right kid to the plate.

Uh...you sure about all of the above?

 

 

Well, 2 of them are questions, and so don't assert anything.

 

For the other 2: yes, it was MS game (rec ball, actually). So I guess you're quibbling about #2, that the scorekeeper did nothing wrong.

 

For rec ball at least, I'm treating the scorekeeper as team personnel. So yes, I'm sure.

[Larry in TN]

For rec ball at least, I'm treating the scorekeeper as team personnel. So yes, I'm sure.

That's the difference right there.

If the scorer is part of the team then they can communicate anything they want to the manager. It is only when there is an impartial official scorer provided by the league/tournament that they, like the umpires, are required to keep quiet until there is a proper appeal.

[TheGeneral]

For the situation's sake, I was implying the score keeper to be a team hand, not league hand.

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[BigUmpire]

After the plate meeting find the scorekeeper, let this person know they are now a part of the officiating team and ONLY talk to the umpires about anything related the book such as BOO.

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