Would you call a balk?

[Platejob29]

A momentary adjustment does not entail separating the hands.  It is a pause after bringing them together.

From the wind up it absolutely does entail separation of the hands if that separation is a momentary adjustment. And that's straight from PBUC.

[Dash Riprock]

 

A momentary adjustment does not entail separating the hands.  It is a pause after bringing them together.

From the wind up it absolutely does entail separation of the hands if that separation is a momentary adjustment. And that's straight from PBUC.

 

Could you provide the entire cite please?  Thanks.

[Mike Prince]

Here are relevant excerpts from the PBUC manual.  Just keep in mind that the OP and much of the discussion has to do with NFHS.

 

l) Prior to assuming a legal pitching position

(windup or set position) it is permissible for the pitcher to

momentarily adjust the ball in his glove. In order for this

to be allowed, the movement must be momentary in nature. If

the pitcher has his hands together long enough that, in the

judgment of the umpire, it appears that he has actually come to a

set position or has actually assumed the wind-up position, then

should the pitcher separate his hands, a balk shall be called under

Official Baseball Rule 8.05(j).

 

m) After coming to a legal pitching position

(windup or set), if the pitcher removes one hand from the ball

other than in an actual pitch or in throwing to a base, it is a

balk.

[noumpere]

 

A momentary adjustment does not entail separating the hands.  It is a pause after bringing them together.

From the wind up it absolutely does entail separation of the hands if that separation is a momentary adjustment. And that's straight from PBUC.

 

It isn't the separation and rejoining that's the momentary adjustment.  The momentary adjustment is joining the hands (briefly) and then separating them.  as I read it you have it exactly backwards.

[Jocko]

To those who say you must explain your call/no call:

:

Ummmmmmm.......no I don't. All I have to do is look at him like the rat he is and he will either clam up and go away, or he will escalate the situation to the point where I restrict/eject (NFHS wants us to restrict 1st)

Either way, as I said before, he loses.

You guys are picking nits. How many balks do you call for disengaging with the wrong foot first?

[maven]

To those who say you must explain your call/no call:

:

Ummmmmmm.......no I don't. All I have to do is look at him like the rat he is and he will either clam up and go away, or he will escalate the situation to the point where I restrict/eject (NFHS wants us to restrict 1st)

Either way, as I said before, he loses.

You guys are picking nits. How many balks do you call for disengaging with the wrong foot first?

 

ALL of them.

 

Around here, in a varsity game a balk call/no call entitles the coach to an explanation. I usually give it in the call: "Balk! Time! That's a balk! No step!" or "started and stopped!" And away we go.

[goody14]

HS game, R2 and R3, pitcher in windup with both hands together resting on knee. He gets his sign and doesn't like it so he lifts his hand out of glove and gives the universal circular motion for " I want another sign".  Is that a balk?

 

Even if momentary adjustment was a thing in FED (and from other posting it sounds like it is not), wouldn't that argument be on shaky ground since the OP pitcher did something else with his hands.  Once he gives the "I want another sign" motion, that is more than an adjustment and not momentary.  If more than an adjustment, then we have someone breaking their hands without pitching.  I am calling balk.

[ricka56]

Don't think anyone can argue that by rule a balk could be called here.

 

But balking F1 is windup with runners on, means balking in a run. If you haven't been involved in a game where your partner (or yourself) balked in runner from 3B on something like this, it is quite the experience. Both (professional) coaches are going to think that both of you are "that guy" (and treat you as such) even if it was your partner who balked him in.

[maven]

Don't think anyone can argue that by rule a balk could be called here.

 

But balking F1 is windup with runners on, means balking in a run. If you haven't been involved in a game where your partner (or yourself) balked in runner from 3B on something like this, it is quite the experience. Both (professional) coaches are going to think that both of you are "that guy" (and treat you as such) even if it was your partner who balked him in.

 

Disagree. If the defense doesn't want a run to score, they shouldn't balk one in.

 

I didn't balk with R3.

[ricka56]

I didn't balk with R3.

You know that, I know that...Good luck selling that.

[noumpere]

Don't think anyone can argue that by rule a balk could be called here.

 

But balking F1 is windup with runners on, means balking in a run. If you haven't been involved in a game where your partner (or yourself) balked in runner from 3B on something like this, it is quite the experience. Both (professional) coaches are going to think that both of you are "that guy" (and treat you as such) even if it was your partner who balked him in.

And if you don't call it you get in the argument with the offensive coach.

 

Unless you are envisioning a play different from me (and I think from others), this is a balk that has to be called.

[ricka56]

 

Don't think anyone can argue that by rule a balk could be called here.

 

But balking F1 is windup with runners on, means balking in a run. If you haven't been involved in a game where your partner (or yourself) balked in runner from 3B on something like this, it is quite the experience. Both (professional) coaches are going to think that both of you are "that guy" (and treat you as such) even if it was your partner who balked him in.

And if you don't call it you get in the argument with the offensive coach.

 

If I had to pick my poison, I'd pick that one.

[noumpere]

 

 

Don't think anyone can argue that by rule a balk could be called here.

 

But balking F1 is windup with runners on, means balking in a run. If you haven't been involved in a game where your partner (or yourself) balked in runner from 3B on something like this, it is quite the experience. Both (professional) coaches are going to think that both of you are "that guy" (and treat you as such) even if it was your partner who balked him in.

And if you don't call it you get in the argument with the offensive coach.

 

If I had to pick my poison, I'd pick that one.

 

Fair enough.  I'd rather choose the side that has rules support.

[carolinablue]

 

Don't think anyone can argue that by rule a balk could be called here.

 

But balking F1 is windup with runners on, means balking in a run. If you haven't been involved in a game where your partner (or yourself) balked in runner from 3B on something like this, it is quite the experience. Both (professional) coaches are going to think that both of you are "that guy" (and treat you as such) even if it was your partner who balked him in.

And if you don't call it you get in the argument with the offensive coach.

 

Unless you are envisioning a play different from me (and I think from others), this is a balk that has to be called.

 

 

 

The OC did indeed ask if that was a balk. I simply told him I didn't have a balk on that and that was all that happened. I got lucky in that regard, it could have been much worse being it was the bottom of 6 and the tying run was on third. That's why I came home and posted this to get some help on it.  

[Richvee]

You guys are picking nits. How many balks do you call for disengaging with the wrong foot first?

That's a nit pick? I call this 100% of the time. We have a few teams around here that love to start in the windup when the first guy gets on base. They try to get him go on 1st movement. If I don't call stepping off with the wrong foot, we've got a serious problem. 

[ricka56]

Fair enough.  I'd rather choose the side that has rules support.

 

Fair enough. I'd rather not become Papa C's 152nd way to ruin a baseball game.