Batter Interference?

[Texas Manny]

Since the ball went to the backstop, and the catcher had to leave his position, and the home plate circle, to retrieve the ball, under 7.08, the batter would have to vacate and clear the home plate area. He definitely would have enough time. Although he is still the batter, he is governed under both batter and offensive player interference rules.

 

If the ball remained in the home plate circle, or just outside that on the grass, then the batter may hold his ground, as long as he doesn't do anything. He may also attempt to vacate, however, if he does, causing something in that situation, such as touching the ball, or the catcher, then he may be liable to being guilty of interference, whether intentional or not.

 

In conferring with Mike Taylor, we discussed the HW ruling and his contacts ruling. We both agree that both sources are discussing the same issue, different circumstances.

[noumpere]

Thanks for checking and thanks for clarifying.  And thanks for at least having some support for your position.

[JaxRolo]

Manny you now seem to be contradicting yourself.

[Jocko]

I believe that Manny has just gotten on board with what everyone else has been saying all along.

I understand ther learn it here mentality, but until you actually see it, you don't know what it really looks like.

[Texas Manny]

@Jax and @Jocko, no. What Mike and I worked on was balancing the two different manuals approaches on the same situation and came up with an acceptable conclusion.

[JaxRolo]

@Jax and @Jocko, no. What Mike and I worked on was balancing the two different manuals approaches on the same situation and came up with an acceptable conclusion.

In other words you just don't want to admit your wrong again. You are depending way to much on books and not common sense and umpiring.

[Texas Manny]

 

@Jax and @Jocko, no. What Mike and I worked on was balancing the two different manuals approaches on the same situation and came up with an acceptable conclusion.

In other words you just don't want to admit your wrong again. You are depending way to much on books and not common sense and umpiring.

 

In other words, I have nothing to admit that I was wrong to because all I did was present what was in the HW manual. Mike brought an understanding from another credible source. Both sources conflicted. We worked together to find the balance between the two, because there are situations where what was said in the HW manual stand, and where the understanding of Mike's source stood. I didn't take a position.

 

All you do is point fingers, and apparently do not read.

[grayhawk]

I don't care who's right or wrong.  I am going to decide whether or not the batter had time to safely vacate the box.  Using the dirt circle may be a good guideline, but it's my judgement that matters.  I sure as heck won't using the dirt circle when explaining my call to the coach.  Here is how I would explain it:

 

"In my judgement, the batter had a clear opportunity to vacate the area, but chose not to.  I have interference."

"In my judgement, the batter didn't have time to vacate the area, and made no movement to interfere.  I do not have interference."

[Texas Manny]

I don't care who's right or wrong. 

Exactly. The whole purpose is to learn and get the call right.

[JaxRolo]

Time and time again you insist on arguing rules. Presenting rules citations that you are misinterpreting. On the field you have to make instant decisions! No time to phone a friend!

[Texas Manny]

Time and time again you insist on arguing rules. Presenting rules citations that you are misinterpreting. On the field you have to make instant decisions! No time to phone a friend!

Tell me, what did you do to work out the differences between two ruling differences in major publications by credible sources, that benefited the folks who visit this site?

 

Tell me, what did I misinterpret in this thread since all I did was present what was in the HW manual with proper citation?

 

Tell me what I argued on here? Oh wait, I worked to get a conflict resolved. My apologies for trying to get the situation right.

 

[mstaylor]

Manny you now seem to be contradicting yourself.

Not contradicting, modifying his position. The reason boards like this exist is to discuss situations and learn. Manny presented what was said in HW's manual, I presented what I had learned over the  years of working and discussing with other credible sources including some highly placed sources  in MLB and MiLB. Through discussion Manny has a new understanding of plays of this nature. I agree with Grayhawk that I wouldn't use the dirt circle in a discussion with a manager but if it brings a timing mechanism then that is fine. I equate the timing of whether he has to clear or not to be similar to obstruction. Instead of judging how long a runner is detained by a fielder, you judge how long it takes the catcher to retrieve the ball compared the batter clearing. I suppose another piece of the puzzle could be, did the pitcher have time to cover? If yes, then certainly the batter has time to react. Again this would never be used in a discussion with a manager but it could be part of the judgment. 

[Jocko]

See post #2