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Mike Prince
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I still have him safe here for a few reasons (using information from the original post):   - If F6 has to tell me R1's foot is on top of his, I missed it.  I am not having the discussion with the OM

noumpere
noumpere

I can tell from here he was also touching the base. lol.

Oldcrow
Oldcrow

I agree and like your earlier comment....To call him out is picking up the dirty end of the stick and asking for trouble...He is safe

maven

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Sure you were wrong. He was tagged off the base and you called him safe! ;)

 

Seriously: how you fixed it is less important than learning from it. What did you learn so that you won't do it in future?

soapbox

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I haven't learned anything yet, I don't believe.  I thought it could be a form of OBS, but F6 did have the ball.  Maven, do you believe I kicked it?

maven

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I haven't learned anything yet, I don't believe.  I thought it could be a form of OBS, but F6 did have the ball.  Maven, do you believe I kicked it?

 

Well, I thought you were saying the runner slid into the foot and was tagged, never having touched the base.

 

Now I gather that he slid into the base and beat the throw. After that play, the runner stood up, touching only the fielder's foot (not the base) and was tagged again.

 

If that's what happened, then you have to rule on 2 plays, each tag attempt being a distinct play. Like a runner who slides in safely, loses his balance, comes off the base, and is tagged, you can have a runner who is initially safe and then put out. So far, if I'm understanding the play, that sounds like what you had.

 

Again, if I'm understanding the play now, I would have signaled safe on the first play and out on the second. "Safe! ... Now he's out!" It happens, and you have to stay with the players after an initial safe call. OC might come out and ask about the call, and you could say: "Coach, he beat the throw and initial tag, then came off the base and was tagged out."

 

Obviously, a runner in possession of the ball can (almost) NEVER be guilty of OBS (MP was joking, I think).

BigUmp56

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Not a chance I'm calling this runner out on the second tag! Doing so is picking up the dirty end of the stick. The fielder has no business standing on the bag after the initial safe call.

Tim.

maven

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Not a chance I'm calling this runner out on the second tag! Doing so is picking up the dirty end of the stick. The fielder has no business standing on the bag after the initial safe call.

Tim.

 

Never? Maybe we're envisioning different plays. In my head, he slides in, pops up, comes off the base, and when he tries to put a toenail back on the base he touches nothing but the fielder's foot.

 

You're ruling that safe?

Mike Prince

Mike Prince

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Not a chance I'm calling this runner out on the second tag! Doing so is picking up the dirty end of the stick. The fielder has no business standing on the bag after the initial safe call.

Tim.

Never? Maybe we're envisioning different plays. In my head, he slides in, pops up, comes off the base, and when he tries to put a toenail back on the base he touches nothing but the fielder's foot.

You're ruling that safe?That's not how I'm seeing it. I have runner safe on initial tag and then when he comes up he is on F6's foot, I don't remember any mention of runner coming off in the OP.

And yes I was joking on F6 OBS, I even had a smiley in there...

soapbox

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As described correct.  Only the tag wasn't held as foot in the air.  Tag applied after he realized he realized his foot was on his foot.  I guess his shoelace could have been touching the base (jk).  Just seems like I open a real firestorm on this one if I punch him out.  But, I do want to know, and would certainly go with the masses on this one.  Sorry Maven if I didn't explain well the first time.  Had he held the tag on him the entire time, I'd have an easy out as he popped up, but didn't happen that way.

maven

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That's not how I'm seeing it. I have runner safe on initial tag and then when he comes up he is on F6's foot, I don't remember any mention of runner coming off in the OP.

OK, I know I must be missing something. He is ON the bag after the initial slide, and hence SAFE. Then he is NOT on the bag, because he is only on the fielder's foot.

 

How did he come to be NOT ON the bag if he never came off of it?

Mike Prince

Mike Prince

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I still have him safe here for a few reasons (using information from the original post):

 

- If F6 has to tell me R1's foot is on top of his, I missed it.  I am not having the discussion with the OM on how I called it only after F6 brings it to my attention.

- To grab the cleaner end of the stick to begin with, I see part of R1's heel or toe on the bag here, he's not perfectly balanced on F6's foot.  Tough noogies for the DM.

- In reality me and F6 will be the only ones with a chance of a clean look at this, my angle is better than his in the millisecond I have to look at it.

 

F6 will learn his lesson with this move once he gets spiked on top of his foot.

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BigUmp56

BigUmp56

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I couldn't agree more with the way MP just layed it out. As I envision this play, the runner slides safely into the bag and the tag is applied late. The runner climbs the bag and before he can step on top of it the fielder decides to be a smartass and tries to prevent the runner from stepping on the bag, and he decides to lay another tag on him while getting my attention to see if I'm enough of a rube to falk for it. As I said before, there's not a chance I'm going to call the runner out.

Tim.

Oldcrow

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I couldn't agree more with the way MP just layed it out. As I envision this play, the runner slides safely into the bag and the tag is applied late. The runner climbs the bag and before he can step on top of it the fielder decides to be a smartass and tries to prevent the runner from stepping on the bag, and he decides to lay another tag on him while getting my attention to see if I'm enough of a rube to falk for it. As I said before, there's not a chance I'm going to call the runner out.

Tim.

I agree and like your earlier comment....To call him out is picking up the dirty end of the stick and asking for trouble...He is safe

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Richvee

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I still have him safe here for a few reasons (using information from the original post):

 

 

- To grab the cleaner end of the stick to begin with, I see part of R1's heel or toe on the bag here, he's not perfectly balanced on F6's foot.  Tough noogies for the DM.

 

 

F6 will learn his lesson with this move once he gets spiked on top of his foot.

This^^^ I definitely see a piece of his shoelace, toe or heel on the bag. 

umpire_scott

umpire_scott

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Since Soapbox is looking for what the majority think I will chime in and agree with Tim and the others.  I'm keeping him safe.

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