pre-game meeting

[plateumpire]

Some of you already know about this but I was interested in any other comments on how any of you would handle this situation. 

It was time for the pre-game and one of the head coaches wanted to know if he could kick dirt on me if he got upset with my call. I told him no. He said Ahhhhhh! None of the other umpires let me do that! Then he proceeded to kick dirt at me. He followed that by saying that he was just joking. This is in Little League.

 

 

[maven]

Toss him. He's only pretending to be joking. I've said, "sure you can kick dirt on me, and then I'll eject you." Teaches them consequences. ;)

[elares]

Wow.  Very much a HTBT situation.  After the plate meeting I would speak with him privately and tell him that while he may have been just joking, others see it and think it's okay. It is not.  I would tell him that I take my responsibilities as an umpire seriously and that if it ever occurs again, I will eject him without warning.  

 

I'll bet he was just fooling around and has not heard the war stories that are shared here on U-E.  I still want to put a stop to it.

[BigUmpire]

I have a philosophy that most young people’s first exposure to a uniformed authority figure is a sports official. I believe that respect should go both ways and a positive example should be set for these young athletes. I normally address all participants as sir or ma’am around the very impressionable youths.

 

I train our young guys that they either command or demand respect, BUT get it.

Kicking dirt is unacceptable for any reason even if it is declared as a joke.

Players will see the coach being disrespectful to the umpire and they will believe they can do this as well.

 

Your response

Get upset, move in front of him and stare him right in the eyes at a distance of less than 2 feet!

After he did this I would state that was unprofessional and will not happen again.

Send a visual message to all that you are upset.

If he apologizes state that this is his first warning on unsportsmanlike behavior.

Stay upset.

If he responds negatively in anyway dump him demonstratively.

 

Turn this into a teaching moment for all.

 

Remember this umpire bumper sticker:

• “Familiarity breeds contemptâ€- Bigumpire

[BigUmp56]

Joking or not, in my opinion, he should have been ejected. I wouldn't have given him the big hook, but I would have told him that he'd just bought himself a one way ticket to the parking lot for the day. I don't see how this could be viewed as even remotely acceptable by any manager or coach.

 

YMMV

 

Tim.

[mstaylor]

PU suffers from the same many here do, young ump and looks younger. 

[BigUmpire]

• "My last coach ejection was several years ago but I don't have to because they know I will"-mstaylor

 

• “ If you have 100 monkeys misbehaving, KILL ONE, watch the rest of them straighten upâ€- Bigumpire

 

 

Words to live by.

[HeadHunterLA]

 

I have a philosophy that most young people’s first exposure to a uniformed authority figure is a sports official. I believe that respect should go both ways and a positive example should be set for these young athletes. I normally address all participants as sir or ma’am around the very impressionable youths.

 

I train our young guys that they either command or demand respect, BUT get it.

Kicking dirt is unacceptable for any reason even if it is declared as a joke.

Players will see the coach being disrespectful to the umpire and they will believe they can do this as well.

 

Your response

Get upset, move in front of him and stare him right in the eyes at a distance of less than 2 feet!

After he did this I would state that was unprofessional and will not happen again.

Send a visual message to all that you are upset.

If he apologizes state that this is his first warning on unsportsmanlike behavior.

Stay upset.

If he responds negatively in anyway dump him demonstratively.

 

Turn this into a teaching moment for all.

 

Remember this umpire bumper sticker:

• “Familiarity breeds contemptâ€- Bigumpire

 

That sounds like overkill to me.

[BigUmpire]

 

 

I have a philosophy that most young people’s first exposure to a uniformed authority figure is a sports official. I believe that respect should go both ways and a positive example should be set for these young athletes. I normally address all participants as sir or ma’am around the very impressionable youths.

 

I train our young guys that they either command or demand respect, BUT get it.

Kicking dirt is unacceptable for any reason even if it is declared as a joke.

Players will see the coach being disrespectful to the umpire and they will believe they can do this as well.

 

Your response

Get upset, move in front of him and stare him right in the eyes at a distance of less than 2 feet!

After he did this I would state that was unprofessional and will not happen again.

Send a visual message to all that you are upset.

If he apologizes state that this is his first warning on unsportsmanlike behavior.

Stay upset.

If he responds negatively in anyway dump him demonstratively.

 

Turn this into a teaching moment for all.

 

Remember this umpire bumper sticker:

• “Familiarity breeds contemptâ€- Bigumpire

 

That sounds like overkill to me.

 

I think overkill is tossing immediately.

 

This guy is a goober that wants attention and is probably is not well versed in baseball behavior.

Dumping him for this IF he is just a clown is probably unfair.

If you believe there is malicious intent loudly heave-ho.

 

Make this teaching moment for all.

[LMSANS]

Some of you already know about this but I was interested in any other comments on how any of you would handle this situation. It was time for the pre-game and one of the head coaches wanted to know if he could kick dirt on me if he got upset with my call. I told him no. He said Ahhhhhh! None of the other umpires let me do that! Then he proceeded to kick dirt at me. He followed that by saying that he was just joking. This is in Little League.

He gone...bye! Next! Larry Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2

[LMSANS]

I have a philosophy that most young people’s first exposure to a uniformed authority figure is a sports official. I believe that respect should go both ways and a positive example should be set for these young athletes. I normally address all participants as sir or ma’am around the very impressionable youths. I train our young guys that they either command or demand respect, BUT get it. Kicking dirt is unacceptable for any reason even if it is declared as a joke. Players will see the coach being disrespectful to the umpire and they will believe they can do this as well. Your response Get upset, move in front of him and stare him right in the eyes at a distance of less than 2 feet! After he did this I would state that was unprofessional and will not happen again. Send a visual message to all that you are upset. If he apologizes state that this is his first warning on unsportsmanlike behavior. Stay upset. If he responds negatively in anyway dump him demonstratively. Turn this into a teaching moment for all. Remember this umpire bumper sticker: “Familiarity breeds contemptâ€- Bigumpire

That sounds like overkill to me. I think overkill is tossing immediately. This guy is a goober that wants attention and is probably is not well versed in baseball behavior. Dumping him for this IF he is just a clown is probably unfair. If you believe there is malicious intent loudly heave-ho. Make this teaching moment for all. He got my attention. Now he can leave. Teaching moment realized. Larry Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2

[Mike Prince]

Quietly eject him this time, he will never do it again, guaranteed.

[BigUmp56]

Brother, I don't care if the guy is just being a clown or not. The OP has him asking permission to kick dirt on the umpire and being told NO, in no uncertain terms. I'm definitely not a hard arse, but this moron needs to get run immediately.

 

Tim.

[HeadHunterLA]

I don't know whether to laugh or shake my head here??  This guy is clowning around and it is in Little League. I'd say coach, I know you are just having fun and I'll let you get away with this just this one time.  But if it happens again either here or in the game I'll have to handle it differently, are we clear?  Then I'd smile and go on with my plate meeting.  Have some damn perspective before you "teach someone a lesson".

[BigUmp56]

Maybe had he not asked and been told no, he gets the benefit of the doubt. That's not what happened here. No less innappropriate than continuing to argue a call after being asked to return to the dugout.

 

 

Tim.

[Mike Prince]

I don't know whether to laugh or shake my head here??  This guy is clowning around and it is in Little League. I'd say coach, I know you are just having fun and I'll let you get away with this just this one time.  But if it happens again either here or in the game I'll have to handle it differently, are we clear?  Then I'd smile and go on with my plate meeting.  Have some damn perspective before you "teach someone a lesson".

 

I respectfully disagree.  When the other coach has a beef later in the game and comes to you and you should give him the hook for arguing, do you give him a "do-over" too?  I know this is different than the OP, but to get back on topic, there's no "teach someone a lesson" in play here.  He asked, you say no and he does it anyway and that's OK?

 

Sorry, no one's kicking dirt on me on the field.  It may "only" be Little League, but I'm not a doormat.

[HeadHunterLA]

 

I don't know whether to laugh or shake my head here??  This guy is clowning around and it is in Little League. I'd say coach, I know you are just having fun and I'll let you get away with this just this one time.  But if it happens again either here or in the game I'll have to handle it differently, are we clear?  Then I'd smile and go on with my plate meeting.  Have some damn perspective before you "teach someone a lesson".

 

I respectfully disagree.  When the other coach has a beef later in the game and comes to you and you should give him the hook for arguing, do you give him a "do-over" too?  I know this is different than the OP, but to get back on topic, there's no "teach someone a lesson" in play here.  He asked, you say no and he does it anyway and that's OK?

 

Sorry, no one's kicking dirt on me on the field.  It may "only" be Little League, but I'm not a doormat.

 

Yep, we can agree to disagree.  More than one way to skin a cat, cheers!

[BigUmp56]

 

 

I don't know whether to laugh or shake my head here??  This guy is clowning around and it is in Little League. I'd say coach, I know you are just having fun and I'll let you get away with this just this one time.  But if it happens again either here or in the game I'll have to handle it differently, are we clear?  Then I'd smile and go on with my plate meeting.  Have some damn perspective before you "teach someone a lesson".

 

I respectfully disagree.  When the other coach has a beef later in the game and comes to you and you should give him the hook for arguing, do you give him a "do-over" too?  I know this is different than the OP, but to get back on topic, there's no "teach someone a lesson" in play here.  He asked, you say no and he does it anyway and that's OK?

 

Sorry, no one's kicking dirt on me on the field.  It may "only" be Little League, but I'm not a doormat.

 

Yep, we can agree to disagree.  More than one way to skin a cat, cheers!

 

 

The beauty of this forum, as opposed to others that have failed, is the members ability to have differing opinions and respect each other for having them. I wouldn't think less of anyone that wouldn't eject the coach in this situation.

 

Tim.

 

 

[maven]

I have some perspective. I just told him not to kick dirt on me, and he did it anyway. I have a toddler who acts like that. I wouldn't eject a toddler, but coach has a lesson to learn.

And, I hope word gets around to the other umps in the league, and they decide to follow my lead. That would improve the experience of everyone who works that league.

maven

[DP26]

Maybe a youth level where coaches are the parent who forgot to be unavailable, I might "teach".  The teaching would be to tell them they are done for the day, with their choice of leaving on their own or by EJ.  If they are teachable, they leave on their own, if not, they get EJ.

 

Any level where the coaches are not just a parent who got talked into it, it is an EJ every time.

 

For me, kicking dirt on/at me as described by the OP is getting a response.

[Mudder]

Totally agree with HeadHunterLA here, lets have some perspective fellas and I'm shocked at some of the heavy responses here, I'm sure this is a HTBT situation,  I get that kind of harmless clowning around from parents and coaches sometimes.

 

I mean did the guy just kind of kick some dirt in your direction, or did he actually kick the dirt onto your shoes and lower pants?  If the later than I'd have some stern words for him for sure, probably not an ejection, depending on his overall demeanor.  If the former, I'd be laughed out of the ball park for that dump.

[Specks]

Coaches expect me to show up knowledgeable and professional, I expect the same from them. Yes some are parents and may not know as much but I think everyone would know this isn't acceptable behavior.

[plateumpire]

Totally agree with HeadHunterLA here, lets have some perspective fellas and I'm shocked at some of the heavy responses here, I'm sure this is a HTBT situation,  I get that kind of harmless clowning around from parents and coaches sometimes.

 

I mean did the guy just kind of kick some dirt in your direction, or did he actually kick the dirt onto your shoes and lower pants?  If the later than I'd have some stern words for him for sure, probably not an ejection, depending on his overall demeanor.  If the former, I'd be laughed out of the ball park for that dump.

@Mudder  He kicked it in my direction. 

[plateumpire]

I told me UIC about this and he said to tell the coach that we are not joking right now. Then I would go on with the pre-game.

[LMSANS]

Totally agree with HeadHunterLA here, lets have some perspective fellas and I'm shocked at some of the heavy responses here, I'm sure this is a HTBT situation,  I get that kind of harmless clowning around from parents and coaches sometimes.

 

I mean did the guy just kind of kick some dirt in your direction, or did he actually kick the dirt onto your shoes and lower pants?  If the later than I'd have some stern words for him for sure, probably not an ejection, depending on his overall demeanor.  If the former, I'd be laughed out of the ball park for that dump.

He asked, was told "no".  What part of "no" doesn't he understand.  That's why he gets the heave-ho.

If he just walked up and kicked the dirt and then said it was a joke, then he would probably be given a verbal lesson on etiquette.

[plateumpire]

 

 

Your response

Get upset, move in front of him and stare him right in the eyes at a distance of less than 2 feet!

After he did this I would state that was unprofessional and will not happen again.

Send a visual message to all that you are upset.

If he apologizes state that this is his first warning on unsportsmanlike behavior.

Stay upset.

If he responds negatively in anyway dump him demonstratively.

 

 

 

Sorry, no offence, but I can't see myself doing this.   I saw my UIC eject someone. He did not look upset or sound upset. He was totally calm. It worked very well. Wouldn't that work in this situation too?