Who is watching the fake tag obstruction in FED...

[LMSANS]

According to the coach, these 2 scenarios came up in a game yesterday.  2-man HS Varsity under NFHS.  HT is 12-4, VT is 4-8, crosstown rivals...

 

1 - HT R2, 0 out - ground ball in the hole between 3b & SS.  F6 makes good play, but the throw is a little off line.  BU makes call at first on a close play with F3 doing a nice stretch.  PU(me) is on POP, my head is on a swivel as R2 breaks for 3B.  I focus on F3, and then turn towards 3B to make sure of the touch.  HC starts complaining about a fake tag that caused his player to slide.  I didn't see the fake tag, but I am sure R2 touched 3B.

 

 

2 - HT R1, R3, 1 out - R1 goes for the steal of 2B, F2 fakes a throw and holds the ball.  I see the fake and turn my attention to R3 to make sure nothing is happening here.  BU never turns because there was no throw.  HC starts complaining about a fake tag that caused his player to slide.  I didn't see the fake tag, I was looking towards R3.

 

 

I have seen/called one fake tag in HS in 8 years and this guy is looking for 2 in one game.  They may have happened, but who should see it...other than the coach?

 

 

[scrounge]

It may or may not have happened, but I don't see how you could have done much better. If you see it, fine, but it's lower on the priority list than the other things you mentioned.

[Dannytheman]

You can't call what you don't see. seems like this coach got burned in a previous game with fake tag call, and now it's rule of the week/month/year.

 

Ignore him, as I am sure you did,

[noumpere]

More than likely a "fake catch" and not a "fake tag" and the fake catch is nothing.

[maven]

Sounds like a coach just learned a rule.

[bam]

On the first one "Coach, didn't see it. Let's play"

On the second "I'm feeling a little Deja Vu here, coach. Let's play"

[LMSANS]

Here is my follow-up, if we had seen both obstructions, what bases would be awarded...under FED rules?

 

1. R2 awarded 3B + home?

2. R1 awarded 2B + 3B forcing R3 home?

[mstaylor]

The fake tag in many cases is the PU. From your description I am not sure where the fake tags were.

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[LMSANS]

Here is my follow-up, if we had seen both obstructions, what bases would be awarded...under FED rules?

 

1. R2 awarded 3B + home? Fake tag at 3B

2. R1 awarded 2B + 3B forcing R3 home? fake tag at 2B

 

 

The fake tag in many cases is the PU. From your description I am not sure where the fake tags were.

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[maven]

FED awards are at least 1 base from last legally touched. I'm not sure those runners are going any farther.

[UmpJM]

Larry,

 

Here is my follow-up, if we had seen both obstructions, what bases would be awarded...under FED rules?

 

1. R2 awarded 3B + home?

2. R1 awarded 2B + 3B forcing R3 home?

 

Based on your description I'd have...

 

1. Leave R2 at 3B. He was obstructed before reaching 3B, so 3B is the "mandatory minimum" and it sure doesn't sound like he would have gotten any further absent the fake tag obstruction.

 

2. Leave R1 at 2B. He was obstructed before reaching 2B, so 2B is the "mandatory minimum" and it sure doesn't sound like he would have gotten any further absent the fake tag obstruction.

 

JM

[maven]

JM: which I'd said that. I think I would have kept my fonts the same size, though.

[mstaylor]

I agree with John. Unless you think absent the obstruction he would have made the extra base, it is just the one he is going to. The difference is it also draws a warning, then an ejection.

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[LMSANS]

Thanks guys!