How does he stay?

[mstaylor]

Stupid Pitcher

How does the pitcher ever make it to the plate, less alone stay in the game? Then the best I can tell, the manager stays too. On the ither hand, the PU should never have followed the pitcher. He should have bounced the pitcher on the approach, stayed at the plate and let the manager come to him. It looked like he got mad and his partner had to peel him off too. It's hard on your partner when he has to rodeo both the manager and partner. Stat calm and let the participants be the stupid ones.

The BU does a great job restoring order. He came running to get the players away then got his PU under control. He was the only one that handled the situation correctly.

[semper_fi_72]

Another fine example of what not to do and of a umpire being in over his head and possibly abilities.

[Fittske24]

Never should have gotten that far. I can find about 3 reasons to eject (or restrict if this is FED) the pitcher. The coach probably came out to protect his player but he was entirely to slow out of the dugout if that was the case. He should have been out the dugout the first steps that the pitcher takes off the mound. For this pitcher the following should apply:

As soon as he leaves his position to argue Balls and strikes = Done

As soon as he points to the plate where he thought the pitch was = Done

As soon as he brushes the plate off with his glove = Done

[FVBump]

All I can say is WOW!

[mstaylor]

Never should have gotten that far. I can find about 3 reasons to eject (or restrict if this is FED) the pitcher. The coach probably came out to protect his player but he was entirely to slow out of the dugout if that was the case. He should have been out the dugout the first steps that the pitcher takes off the mound. For this pitcher the following should apply:

As soon as he leaves his position to argue Balls and strikes = Done

As soon as he points to the plate where he thought the pitch was = Done

As soon as he brushes the plate off with his glove = Done

You can't restrict players in Fed for anything except being an illegal sub. Here the only choice is toss or not. The manager did go to protect his player but he should have been talking at the plate about who was pitching next. The PU should have tossed the pitcher and started writing on the line-up card who was gone. As I said above, the only one that did his job was the BU.

[dumbdumb]

Wonder if he talks about not taking any crapola from the players to other umps. Doesn't dump the player, but wants to go and chase him down and chew him out as he makes his way back to the mound. No way should the pitcher stay even if this is one of those umpiring areas where you loose your schedule or get blackballed if you eject, and this is why I bring this subject up, and it is still not worth it IMHO. What is everyone afraid of? Now, did he get the pitch right? Who knows, but right or wrong this is unacceptable sportsmanship towards the umpire, and the umpire should eject. If you don't, what if the same scenario happens later in the game with the other pitcher. The other team is watching exactly how the umpire handles the situation, as well they should. This is also a good video to show an umpire who is right there on the field in the middle of things, how bad it really looks, when that umpire possibly (although for the life of me I don't know how) thinks this incident did not make them look very bad, and says there was nothing to it, and nothing happened to eject the player. The video shows otherwise and if you let this type of deportment and sportsmanship towards you go, good luck in your future abuse.

[mstaylor]

Well said dumbdumb, he is probably one that brags he has never had an ejection. I have a friend that just did his first high level D1 game, get called on the carpet by his HS group a couple of years ago because he had too many ejections. I read everyone of his ejections and they were all solid. He made that point and the BOD said that was ttrue but he had too many anyway. :WTF

[Mr Umpire]

He stays b/c he helped the PU by cleaning off the plate for him while telling the PU that he was doing a great job as he came in to clean the plate. Now, the umpire doesn't have to bend down and clean it off. The PU was just thanking him and explaining to his coach how good of a job his pitcher did. Then, the BU got tired of all the compliments and decided to break up the pow-wow. He was jealous b/c it didn't involve him. He moved the pitcher and catcher back b/c he didn't want the pitcher to get a big ego from the compliments.

At least, that is how I saw the whole thing. Is there something I am missing here?

[alex7]

He stays b/c he helped the PU by cleaning off the plate for him while telling the PU that he was doing a great job as he came in to clean the plate. Now, the umpire doesn't have to bend down and clean it off. The PU was just thanking him and explaining to his coach how good of a job his pitcher did. Then, the BU got tired of all the compliments and decided to break up the pow-wow. He was jealous b/c it didn't involve him. He moved the pitcher and catcher back b/c he didn't want the pitcher to get a big ego from the compliments.

At least, that is how I saw the whole thing. Is there something I am missing here?

This. :)

[mstaylor]

I would probably add a . Good stuff Alex.

[crazyaboutcoues]

I agree the pitcher should have been tossed for the way he acted, but look at the batters right foot as the pitch comes in (touching home plate). The pitch is an inside pitch which should have hit him if it were inside (ball). Looks like the bases were loaded, who knows what the score was... I could understand some of the frustration from the pitcher because that was called a ball. Now does that justify his actions? NO...but we owe it to the game to call the best game we can!!! .02

[1dumbquestion]

I agree the pitcher should have been tossed for the way he acted, but look at the batters right foot as the pitch comes in (touching home plate). The pitch is an inside pitch which should have hit him if it were inside (ball). Looks like the bases were loaded, who knows what the score was... I could understand some of the frustration from the pitcher because that was called a ball. Now does that justify his actions? NO...but we owe it to the game to call the best game we can!!! .02

I rarely find myself questioning another umpires judgement of a ball/strike call... especially when I'm behind a fence, a computer monitor and have a less than prime angle. I don't care about the game situation I (as well as the PU in this game) am calling the pitch as I see it, and I'm giving this PU the benifit of the doubt. Sitting at my desk I may have a nut high plate splitter, but in the dirt behing the catcher is the real judge of the pitch. just my opinion. 1

[UmpJM]

To me, this video clip gives the lie to the old adage, "Umpires don't eject people, they eject themselves."

JM

[RichMSN]

Well said dumbdumb, he is probably one that brags he has never had an ejection. I have a friend that just did his first high level D1 game, get called on the carpet by his HS group a couple of years ago because he had too many ejections. I read everyone of his ejections and they were all solid. He made that point and the BOD said that was ttrue but he had too many anyway.

This.

I have a friend who just worked his first D1 series. About 6 years ago, he was told the same thing -- too many ejections -- by the board of directors of the Association. He had about 13 in one summer and I read all the reports and they were all no brainer ejections. This guy worked a *lot* of games.

So he did the logical thing. He ran and got elected to the board.

[mstaylor]

That he did, I forgot the "rest of the story" thanks Rich. As I remember correctly you were a member of that group briefly.

[RichMSN]

That he did, I forgot the "rest of the story" thanks Rich. As I remember correctly you were a member of that group briefly.

One season. I had a tryout game (actually a scrimmage) and was put in the top HS tier and had a great varsity schedule (about 35 games), including some playoff games. What impressed me most was they were most interested in putting people in the right games for them, not taking care of the GOBs.

That season was 12 (!) years ago now.