Running lane interference and a squeeze

[sdix00]

R3.   F1 delivers and R3 starts for home.  B2 bunts and F1 fields it in the imaginary box area in front of HP, and feints to home but doesn't throw.   R3 crosses the plate. B2 is running in fair territory and F1 hits B2 with a true throw about 10 feet in front of 1B. 

 

 

What is your ruling in each code?

[mstaylor]

BR is out in all codes.

[krwill96]

Mstaylor is 100% right I just wanted to add to the answer.

R3 also goes back to third. This is not a situation where he would be safe due to the intervening play rule. The feint to home isn't a play so be is returned to third. If the pitcher threw it home then hit the BR, R3 scores.

[UmpJM]

Under all codes, the BR is out.

 

Under OBR and NCAA, the R3 is returned to 3B because there was no "intervening play" and runners are returned to their TOP base due to the interference absent an intervening play.

 

Under FED, the R3's run stands because under FED runners are returned to their TOI(nterference) base when interference occurs, and the runner had already scored when the interference occurred. (FED 8-2-9)

 

JM

[Rich Ives]

R3.   F1 delivers and R3 starts for home.  B2 bunts and F1 fields it in the imaginary box and feints to home but doesn't throw.   R3 crosses the plate. B2 is running in fair territory and F1 hits B2 with a true throw about 10 feet in front of 1B. 

 

 

What is your ruling in each code?

 

B-R is out.

 

Unless B-R was WAY inside the defense needs to work on getting a throwing lane because there's pretty much no excuse for hitting the runner unless he's way out of line or practically on top of the base.

[sdix00]

It's just a rules exercise and the details provided are to remove any ambiguity or temptation to apply judgement. 

[sdix00]

Under all codes, the BR is out.

 

Under OBR and NCAA, the R3 is returned to 3B because there was no "intervening play" and runners are returned to their TOP base due to the interference absent an intervening play.

 

Under FED, the R3's run stands because under FED runners are returned to their TOI(nterference) base when interference occurs, and the runner had already scored when the interference occurred. (FED 8-2-9)

 

JM

 

 

Ding.

 

 

For bonus points, give an example inf FED of Runner's Interference where runners are returned to TOP instead of TOI as specified in NFHS 8-2-9.

[UmpJM]

FPSR violation.

 

("Spoilered" to let others play.)

 

JM

[Rich Ives]

It's just a rules exercise and the details provided are to remove any ambiguity or temptation to apply judgement. 

 

I've only been following the boards for 15 years or so - what's "the imaginary box"?

[UmpJM]

Rich,

 

I believe he's referring to roughly the area in between the plate and the pitcher's mound.

 

The term is used in some umpire clinics.

 

JM

[johnnyg08]

Rich,

 

I believe he's referring to roughly the area in between the plate and the pitcher's mound.

 

The term is used in some umpire clinics.

 

JM

 

 

 

I've only been following the boards for 15 years or so - what's "the imaginary box"?

 

 

What apparently exists after marriage.  

[noumpere]

Agreed with both of JM's answers

[mstaylor]

I'm with Rich, never heard the term before. 

[UmpJM]

Evans uses it.

 

He talked about it at the Desert Classic I attended and writes about it in his "Maximizing" manual.

 

JM

[Thunderheads]

Rich,

 

I believe he's referring to roughly the area in between the plate and the pitcher's mound.

 

The term is used in some umpire clinics.

 

JM

 

 

 

I've only been following the boards for 15 years or so - what's "the imaginary box"?

 

 

What apparently exists after marriage.  

 

   

[mstaylor]

Does he explain why he uses it, or a definition? I assume he is talking about the area out if in front of the plate where you are going to consider the running lane relevant. It is an unfamiliar term and am looking to learn. Does Maximizing define it?

[sdix00]

Fixed.   I didn't realize it was a term exclusive to Maximizing until I went back to look. 

[Rich Ives]

Fixed.   I didn't realize it was a term exclusive to Maximizing until I went back to look. 

 

 

Well then - a throw from the area in front of  home plate that hits a runner 10' from the base is a sucky throw.  

[noumpere]

Does he explain why he uses it, or a definition? I assume he is talking about the area out if in front of the plate where you are going to consider the running lane relevant. It is an unfamiliar term and am looking to learn. Does Maximizing define it?

 

It's the square with the plate and the mound as opposite corners and two of the sides defined by the foul lines.  Just a concept that can be helpful -- not that you always get interference from here or can't get interference rom somewhere else.

[Mike Prince]

Fixed.   I didn't realize it was a term exclusive to Maximizing until I went back to look. 

 

 

Well then - a throw from the area in front of  home plate that hits a runner 10' from the base is a sucky throw.  

 

A theoretical sucky throw

[UmpJM]

In addition to what noumpere said above, Evans also says that a ball batted into the "imaginary box" is a cue to the base umpire starting in "A" that he may need to come in past the "45 degree" mark in order to establish a proper angle to the throw at 1B.

 

And it's hard for me to think of a throw which gets the runner out and prevents other runners from advancing as "sucky".

 

JM

[Rich Ives]

In addition to what noumpere said above, Evans also says that a ball batted into the "imaginary box" is a cue to the base umpire starting in "A" that he may need to come in past the "45 degree" mark in order to establish a proper angle to the throw at 1B.

 

And it's hard for me to think of a throw which gets the runner out and prevents other runners from advancing as "sucky".

 

JM

 

It hit the runner. He was ruled out because. The other runners returned by rule.

 

Theoretical (if you will) "sucky" throw if it was far enough "off" to hit the runner.

 

If it really was sucky then maybe the call was.