Player ejection

[tankmjg24]

First off, I have been a long time lurker here on the forums yet this is my first post.  I find this forum to be a good meeting place for us umpires and am very glad I found it when I did. 

 

I had a varsity district game between two rival teams yesterday.  With an 0-1 count the batter leans his leg into a curveball and is hit on the knee.  I immediately call time and place the batter back into the box stating that he cannot dive into the pitch to purposefully get hit.  In my judgement, if he does not bury the knee he does not get hit.  The count is know 1-1 and the next pitch is a curveball that looks as if it is going right at the batter, however it breaks and crosses on the inside corner just a bit above the waist to which I call strike 2.  After calling strike 2 he kind of just turned and looked at me for a second and shook his head.  I ignored this.  The 1-2 pitch was a bit outside and the batter attempted to strike at the ball but missed.  Upon missing on his swing, he turns directly to me and says "Thanks blue for putting me back in the box then calling the stirke at my shoulder causing me to strike out".  He then started towards the dugout.  I immediately ejected him for his statement.  The coach was rather adamant that I should have given him the ability to control the player.  To me this is not an action where you allow the coach to handle the player as it was a direct remark to me that everyone in the park could see and possibly hear.  I personally think that this is disrespectful and attempting to show me up and is an objectable offense.  Thoughts?  

[cyclonehokiece]

Personally, I think you handled it fine.  The coach is pulling one from the handbook of trying to keep his player in the game.  Most of the time, they sound stupid after the fact.  If he wants to handle it himself, he better be faster than my ejection mechanic.

[Vegas]

Direct comment by batter about the quality of zone/balls and strikes - BOOM. Good EJ.

[Replacematt]

As it stands, I could eject or warn.

 

I would have told him to knock it off when he looked at you and shook his head, though. It would have either prevented any further shenanigans, or made the EJ blatant.

[umpstu]

First off, I have been a long time lurker here on the forums yet this is my first post.  I find this forum to be a good meeting place for us umpires and am very glad I found it when I did. 

 

I had a varsity district game between two rival teams yesterday.  With an 0-1 count the batter leans his leg into a curveball and is hit on the knee.  I immediately call time and place the batter back into the box stating that he cannot dive into the pitch to purposefully get hit.  In my judgement, if he does not bury the knee he does not get hit.  The count is know 1-1 and the next pitch is a curveball that looks as if it is going right at the batter, however it breaks and crosses on the inside corner just a bit above the waist to which I call strike 2.  After calling strike 2 he kind of just turned and looked at me for a second and shook his head.  I ignored this.  The 1-2 pitch was a bit outside and the batter attempted to strike at the ball but missed.  Upon missing on his swing, he turns directly to me and says "Thanks blue for putting me back in the box then calling the stirke at my shoulder causing me to strike out".  He then started towards the dugout.  I immediately ejected him for his statement.  The coach was rather adamant that I should have given him the ability to control the player.  To me this is not an action where you allow the coach to handle the player as it was a direct remark to me that everyone in the park could see and possibly hear.  I personally think that this is disrespectful and attempting to show me up and is an objectable offense.  Thoughts?  

I think you got this right. Although the batter was kind enough to explain the strike zone to you after he swings and misses at a pitch out of everybody's zone but his. Good job, brother.

[Dannytheman]

They will never learn the rules if we don't enforce them. I think you taught an idiot player, and he will think different from the excellent lesson you taught him!

[UmpJM]

I doubt I'm dumping on this.

 

I'll reply to him, but I'm letting it go if he does.

 

Concur with Chris (aka ump24).

 

JM

[tankmjg24]

I am not one to go looking for ejections.  The thing that sent me from the warning category to ejection was the fact that the kid stopped, turned towards me, then made the comments that he did.  The fact he acted the way he did after the second called strike somewhat played into my decision to eject too.  To me the player was showing me up rather this was his intentions or not. 

 

Personally I did not say anything after the second strike call because the batter did not say anything.  While I am pretty certain that the look and head shake was directed to me, what if he was just upset with himself because he let a pitch go that he thought he could have hit.  Unless the nonverbal actions are overbearing I tend to not say much. 

 

I also agree that hopefully the player learned something from this and that in the future he will think twice before making a negative statement toward an umpire.  At times I believe if we as umpires let things go that the player will never learn and that they begin to think certain things are acceptable behavior while in fact they are not. 

[BigUmpire]

100 monkeys.

[JaxRolo]

100 monkeys.

[mstaylor]

I don't see that as a bad toss at all. When he looked back I tend to just say something like, it was there. When he starts his play by play, dump him. When the coach gives you the stupid, let me handle it, crap, tell him he missed that chance when the batter turned back on the earlier pitch. 

[Strike four]

Hello-

Strike Four here. I am not a current umpire, and it's been some years since umpiring American Legion ball.

The other day, during the SF Giants game in Washington DC while playing against the Nationals, during the Giant's half inning, Jake Peavy and then close to follow , Tim Hudson , pitchers for SF, were ejected by umpire Paul Emmel for having said that Nationals pitcher, Stephen Strasburg, wasn't coming to a full stop in windup.

I just want to know why, or what reasoning was applied , what "rule", or code was broken to to vex Mr Emmel to toss not one, but both pitchers for just speaking in the dugout.

Does anyone have all the facts on this to enlighten me

Much thanks

[BigUmpire]

You can either command or demand respect BUT when you lose it you have lost control of the game and you have failed.

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[MadMax]

First Rule - "You Do Not Talk About Fight Club"

 

From the read of it, they (the SF pitchers) probably used the dirty, dirty B-word. And we all know that word is not used by _anybody_ on the field (dugouts included) other than umpires. Besides, this could also be a "pot calling the kettle black" situation, and the Emmel was _not_ having any of that. Peavy and Hudson were acting like Statler and Waldorf from the Muppets. 

[zm1283]

Hello-

Strike Four here. I am not a current umpire, and it's been some years since umpiring American Legion ball.

The other day, during the SF Giants game in Washington DC while playing against the Nationals, during the Giant's half inning, Jake Peavy and then close to follow , Tim Hudson , pitchers for SF, were ejected by umpire Paul Emmel for having said that Nationals pitcher, Stephen Strasburg, wasn't coming to a full stop in windup.

I just want to know why, or what reasoning was applied , what "rule", or code was broken to to vex Mr Emmel to toss not one, but both pitchers for just speaking in the dugout.

Does anyone have all the facts on this to enlighten me

Much thanks

 

Most off-topic post ever.

 

There is a whole section for MLB ejections on the board.

[PonyUmpire]

How do forums work? 

[Strike four]

Hello-

 

Most off-topic post ever.

 

There is a whole section for MLB ejections on the board.

Don't know whether you are directing this snarky comment to me for my question, but if so, please comment or PM or email me. I'd love the chance to blow your head off

[PonyUmpire]

Strike four, you resurrected a year-old thread with a post completely unrelated to the OP. If you want to start a discussion about a new topic, start a new thread.

[zm1283]

Hello-

 

Most off-topic post ever.

 

There is a whole section for MLB ejections on the board.

Don't know whether you are directing this snarky comment to me for my question, but if so, please comment or PM or email me. I'd love the chance to blow your head off

 

Well Sherlock, I did directly quote you, so it's safe to say that it was directed at you.

 

As PonyUmpire said, you waded into an old post to post something completely off-topic. If you would have explored this fine establishment a tad longer, you would have found this thread: http://umpire-empire.com/index.php/topic/59551-mlb-ejection-162-paul-emmel-2-jake-peavy/

 

There. I did the hard work for you because I'm a swell guy like that. Go there and ask away.

[JaxRolo]

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