Type B Obs Mechanics

[treydawgmt]

In Illinois, if you have any desire to do playoffs, you'd better use FED/IHSA mechanics.

Ive heard from my friends in IL that those arent at all the same thing

The IHSA puts out their own mechanic's powerpoints every year. We watch them at an annual mandatory clinic. If you want to do playoffs, you have to follow these. I have never seen a "FED" mechanic, so I'm not sure what those are. I'm really saying you have to do whatever your bosses want, no matter what that is.

[catsbackr]

I work a ton of Fed and am the HS instructor and we use NO Fed mechanics. We used to use pro mechanics but have since switched to CCA mechanics. There are areas that insist you use Fed mechanics and there you must, but the whole Fed mechanic book is Smittyish.

I hold the same position as you in our association, 80 umpires. We work under FED rules. The State instructs us to use FED mechanics, so that's what I teach. I'm sure there are other states that do the same. The State didn't ask if I liked the mechanics or the rules, for that matter, but instructs me what rules set/mechanics we will work under. CCA mechanics are better and I use them in another higher level association I work in, but I have to teach and follow the directions from my state for HS.

[mstaylor]

I have no problem doing what your group says do. If they say Fed mechanics, then Fed mechanics it is. I have never used them but some areas require it. Some areas have some hodgepodge thing somebody made up. In this case use them but try to work your way up in the group and change the thinking. I know a guy that got called on the carpet repeatedly for the number of ejections he had. He had reported each one and each were solid ejections. However his group felt that numerous ejections were a bad thing. He went through each report and asked which ones were bad tosses. They admitted none but they still said he had too many. He chose to stay in the group and become one of the leaders to drive out this thought process.

[Rook23]

First post! Love the site and I've been here everyday for the past month gathering rules, mechanics, ect. This is awesome.

Back to the OP, I had a similar situation today. I'm fairly new to the umpiring side of baseball so I wanted to make sure I know this situation inside and out for the next time this comes up. I looked in my rulebooks/casebooks and could't find anything.

Same situation - Ball hit to F8, BR is obstructed by F3 to which I make the call and let play continue. BR glides into second as the ball arrives shortly after. Seeing/hearing my signal, third base coach waved the BR to 3rd, which he would have never made with or without obstruction. He's promptly banged and we stuck with the out call.

My understanding is that BR gets the base to which the umpire feels he would have reached had their been no OBS. Anything past that is the BR advancing at his own risk.

If I'm an idiot, I can take it - just help me out with where to find the correct ruling.

[Jocko]

First post! Love the site and I've been here everyday for the past month gathering rules, mechanics, ect. This is awesome.

Back to the OP, I had a similar situation today. I'm fairly new to the umpiring side of baseball so I wanted to make sure I know this situation inside and out for the next time this comes up. I looked in my rulebooks/casebooks and could't find anything.

Same situation - Ball hit to F8, BR is obstructed by F3 to which I make the call and let play continue. BR glides into second as the ball arrives shortly after. Seeing/hearing my signal, third base coach waved the BR to 3rd, which he would have never made with or without obstruction. He's promptly banged and we stuck with the out call.

My understanding is that BR gets the base to which the umpire feels he would have reached had their been no OBS. Anything past that is the BR advancing at his own risk.

If I'm an idiot, I can take it - just help me out with where to find the correct ruling.

What rule set?

[dumbdumb]

Once runner is tagged out.. "time, that's Obstruction, you 2nd base"

HDS

What do you do if he gets into a rundown, just before he would be tagged at 2nd? Do you wait to see what happens in the rundown before awarding him 2nd base due to the original obstruction? An overthrow in a rundown situation could allow him to get all the way to 3rd, either on his own, or by the ball going into DBT. Or, would you call time right at the beginning of the rundown and award 2nd on the original obstruction.

[mstaylor]

First post! Love the site and I've been here everyday for the past month gathering rules, mechanics, ect. This is awesome.

Back to the OP, I had a similar situation today. I'm fairly new to the umpiring side of baseball so I wanted to make sure I know this situation inside and out for the next time this comes up. I looked in my rulebooks/casebooks and could't find anything.

Same situation - Ball hit to F8, BR is obstructed by F3 to which I make the call and let play continue. BR glides into second as the ball arrives shortly after. Seeing/hearing my signal, third base coach waved the BR to 3rd, which he would have never made with or without obstruction. He's promptly banged and we stuck with the out call.

My understanding is that BR gets the base to which the umpire feels he would have reached had their been no OBS. Anything past that is the BR advancing at his own risk.

If I'm an idiot, I can take it - just help me out with where to find the correct ruling.

You are correct, assuming OBR, you announce the obstruction and let it play. As soon as the obstructed runner is played on, read that as tag attempt, then kill the ball and award base/bases to alleviate the obstruction. In your play, the coach calling him to third is the same as the coach telling him to return to first on a foul tip. It is a mistake on the coach's part and makes him liable to be put out.

Welcome to the site. Things are going to slow down as the season ends so feel free to ask away.

[noumpere]

First post! Love the site and I've been here everyday for the past month gathering rules, mechanics, ect. This is awesome.

Back to the OP, I had a similar situation today. I'm fairly new to the umpiring side of baseball so I wanted to make sure I know this situation inside and out for the next time this comes up. I looked in my rulebooks/casebooks and could't find anything.

Same situation - Ball hit to F8, BR is obstructed by F3 to which I make the call and let play continue. BR glides into second as the ball arrives shortly after. Seeing/hearing my signal, third base coach waved the BR to 3rd, which he would have never made with or without obstruction. He's promptly banged and we stuck with the out call.

My understanding is that BR gets the base to which the umpire feels he would have reached had their been no OBS. Anything past that is the BR advancing at his own risk.

If I'm an idiot, I can take it - just help me out with where to find the correct ruling.

Its unclear to me whether action stopped / relaxed when the runner went to second and it was then that the coach waved him to third but depending on the age of the players you can help mange this situation by telling then runner or announcing something like "no further award" or "we'll ignore the obstruction" even "stay there" but that gets close to coaching. Note: Im not saying to say this after the coach waves hime but just as part of the "award" that you are making.