coach argued all the way to my car..

[CallMeBlue]

OK Im pretty sure i was suppose to eject him but i thought it was funny but anyways, let me know if i did anything wrong.. besides not getting rid of him.

1st, batter bunted ball which bounced off home plate, the batter took 2 steps towards 1st but he was TOTALLY 100% infront of the plate in fair territory, ball hit him in foot and stopped in fair territory, i called deadball batters out. it was the 3rd out with nobody on base..

the coach comes running out THE BALL DIDNT EVEN HIT HIM, HES 3 FOOT TALL CMON UMP!! i didnt expect anybody to argue it, but the way he ran out and started freakin was unreal so i said Your in the dugout, im 2 feet away. the other teams crowd all says cmon coach it hit him...

next inning they have runner on 1st base 1 out and a kid hits a fast grounder to 2nd, 2nd picks up ball and "tagged" the runner out, threw to first but the kid was safe.. Super fast kid.. anyways.. the coach comes out screaming STAY ON 2ND BASE. UMP WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT ARE YOU KIDDING ME HE DIDNT EVEN TAG HIM! i said Dude seriously your gonna argue with me again?? either way your kid was out, he went out of the baseline, which he did in a way to avoid the tag, its kinda wy the kid was safe at 1st. then i yell super loud, 2nd base go to your dugout please, your out. he said, oh cmon call the kid out. i said What are you doing to me right now?? you put him on the spot not me. you should have listened the 1st time i said out. End of conversation..

so the next inning they loaded bases no outs, batter hits a ball about 4 feet high next to the pitcher, out of his reach almost.. the pitcher drops the ball on accident, picks ball up throws home and catcher throws to 3rd for double play.

he yells WHAT IS THAT, INFIELD FLY RULE WHAT CMON UMp. I said you need to go back to your dugout before i toss you. he turned around wnt back in.

next play batter hits ball to 3rd, long throw across infield to 1st after the kid bobbled the ball. 1st catches ball while reaching so far out, foot was still on bag, he caught ball and his foot came off bat like half second after he caught it, so i called the runner out, HIS FOOT WAS OFF THE BAG!!

DONT START COACH.

end conversation.

the other team is practically in shock at whats going on.. they kept sayin through fence dude dont listen to that guy/calls are right/i cant believe that coach

so the blue team's assistant coach runs over to me after like bot. 4th and says sorry about coach we got 10 run'd by thse guys last night and we dont want it to happen again.. so i say thats got nothing to do with my game tonight.. score was 7-1 at this time with the red team at bat, Blue=bad coach Red=7 runs, nice team.

red team gets 6 run limit, they were home team so game was over in bot 5th.

games over and i go watch the other game for a minute, talk to the other ump for a sec, then head towards car. theres 6 fields at this park and 6 games played at same time so theres tons of people. the coach is way down the path towards cars and he turns around, sees me commin, slows down to like 1/4th his speed unil i caught up with him, then turns around and starts sayin somethin. i cut him off by saying dude im not tryin to make it unfair to any of your kids, honestly i dont care who wins, i call the game how i see it and your taking this way to seriously.

he says I was a umpire for 8 years and that call you made at the plate was the worst call ever, it didnt even hit the kids foot. Then he said the batter was his son and he said it didnt hit him.. i was like ok dude im outta here call my boss or somethin cuz im callin your league director tomorrow and filing a complaint.

i walk away, like 40 people watched us sit and yell at eachother for like 30 seconds.. i take like 50 steps and i see the other teams coaches come around the corner n say We got you back, that guys a complete jackass. all your calls are right and were sorry you had to go through that.. Your the only umpire on the field and you call great games, please dont let this fool blow it for the rest of us.

so i was like ok cool yea thanks... i got in car n left..

im callin my boss later today n ill tell him what went down.

All im worried about now is having to umpire for his team again. Nothing good can/will come from it.

[padist4ump]

Oh my!!! Number one, he shoulda been in his car and pulling out as soon as he "ran out and started freakin" about the ball hitting the batter. You gave way too many warnings that you did not enforce. Then to top it off you stuck around and watched another game! What did you think was going to happen? He saw you talking to another umpire and immidiately thought that you were telling your buddy all about the game and what a jerk the coach was. You may or may not have been, but thats not the point, that's what he thought. And then you yell at him in the parking lot with "40 people watching"? Should have known better Blue. There are 6 games going on in this park and I guarantee other coaches parents and player heard and saw this tirade. Your professionalism and integrity may be in question now. If and when you get this team again this guy is going to walk all over you because he knows he can get away with it. You got to man up, do the game without reference to this situation and dump his a$$ if he acts like this again, but don't go gunning for him. A good buddy of mine, when I first started umpiring, told me to find a parking spot close to the exit and back in so you can leave quickly if needed. This is a perfect example where it was needed. Hope you learned from this experience...good luck

Edited May 8, 2010 by padist4ump

[BrianC14]

OK Im pretty sure i was suppose to eject him but i thought it was funny but anyways, let me know if i did anything wrong.. besides not getting rid of him. etc. etc. etc....

This makes for an excellent learning experience for you.

Perhaps YOU should tell US when you should have tossed the coach, and then we can tell you if we agree, give pointers, etc. etc.

[jjb]

If you tossed him after the 1st batter, he wouldn't have been in the parking lot after the game, and all you're troubles would have vanished....

....and , while I'm at it, (respectfully), it's not really "funny". Because nothing happened to him, this moron now thinks that his antics are accepted, and he's going to do the same thing at his next game. as a result, your brother in blue is going to have to fix it for you. If he gets lauched the first time he throws a nutty, he'll eventually get the drift..

[Stan W.]

not to pile on............but none of this is funny.......there are enough ejectable offenses in your story to last an umpire a whole season.....everything bad that happens after the first freak out is on you...

AND...to make it worse, you passed this problem on to the next crew who gets this guy....he thinks he has a right to treat umpires this way...........because he didnt get ejected for all those valid reasons you let slide..........

this wont be the last time you find yourself in this situation.......change your approach and you wont be worried you have to umpire his team again.........

[kwiggie]

not to pile on.....

Same here, but...

Please tell me that you literally didn't refer to a coachmanager at any level as "Dude"?

[mstaylor]

If you were feeling generous you could have told him on the first sitch,"Coach it hit him now go to the dugout and don't come out without asking for time." Anything after that is automatic ejection. If you are working solo I would have no tolerance for idiots. He says he was an umpire foor eight years whic I doubt seriously but of he was then there is a reason he isn't anymore.

[padist4ump]

This makes for an excellent learning experience for you.

Perhaps YOU should tell US when you should have tossed the coach, and then we can tell you if we agree, give pointers, etc. etc.

Very good, Brian. I wish I possesed your thought process

[Big Red]

...the coach comes running out THE BALL DIDNT EVEN HIT HIM, HES 3 FOOT TALL CMON UMP!!

First, the fact that the players are 3 ft tall indicates this was one of the younger kid's league. With that said, the tolerance for horsesh_t such as this should be minimal to none. So, some may feel that a warning is appropriate in this case, some (me included) an ejection. At a minimum, you should have given him a stern warning about running out w/o time being called, his actions, and made it clear he would be ejected for anything further.

Given that, the second incident: "...coach comes out screaming STAY ON 2ND BASE. UMP WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT ARE YOU KIDDING ME HE DIDNT EVEN TAG HIM!"; that is a no-brainer , warning or not!

The fellas above all make excellent points, and I would just add that if you saw him in the parking lot and it was obvious to you that his actions were to confront you, you should've taken a different route. From there on out, you allowed yourself to get baited into an absolute "no-win" situation, especially with and for all the people unfortunate to witness it.

Then he said the batter was his son and he said it didnt hit him..

Hopefully not, but with a dad like that, looks like yet another future potential rat coach in the making. :wave:

[dleavitt39]

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Hopefully not, but with a dad like that, looks like yet another future potential rat coach in the making.

FUTURE I think we're past that point already :wow:

[Big Red]

Talking about the coach's son, the batter who said the ball didn't hit him...rat coach/dad bringing up the next generation!

[PeteBooth]

OK Im pretty sure i was suppose to eject him but i thought it was funny but anyways, let me know if i did anything wrong.. besides not getting rid of him.

I think you want to "yank our chain" by this OP.

RE:

You start out by saying "it was funny"

Then you say

I said Dude seriously your gonna argue with me again??

Even a first year umpire does not call a coach Dude.

Therefore, IMO, your OP appears on the surface to be "made-up" or has some truths in it but "more spice" added to make it funny instead of a true learning experience.

Pete Booth

[MCLEOD36]

I just try to remind myself, all coaches are rats, dont go to them trying to explain anything, let them come to you. Secondly, it is a lot easier to get more cordial as the game moves on, if you start firm. If a guy starts riding you from the first batter, nip that bs in the bud. You are not only saving yourself, but the next crew....

[catoblue]

Ummm... had this been my game and I had not tossed the rat, it would get filed under an EJ that I regret - because the ones I regret are the ones I should have made but didn't.

Then again, even back in the days when I was a newbie and put up with way more BS than I should have, this guy wouldn't have lasted past the second incident with the tag/baseline infraction.

coach: "UMP WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT?!"

me: "I'm looking at the parking lot, which is where you get to watch the rest of this game from."