New CCA 3 man mechanics

[UmpTTS43]

There will be some changes to the CCA 3 man mechanics coming up for this year.

1) Check swing appeals will go to the wing man when an umpire is inside regardless if right/left handed batter.

2) With R1, R3 no rotation by PU. BUs will slide.

3) With R3 only, no rotation by PU on triple with no one going out.

[Guest]

3) With R3 only, no rotation by PU on triple with no one going out.

What was the previous mechanic? What they're changing it to, as far as I know, is standard O-P.

[sdix00]

3) With R3 only, no rotation by PU on triple with no one going out.

What was the previous mechanic? What they're changing it to, as far as I know, is standard O-P.

2011 CCA:

Action on the field: Clean hit deep to left-center field, no catch; R3

advances toward home plate; the batter-runner advances toward third

base, drawing a throw there

Umpire responsibilities:

PU: Observes R3's touch of home plate. If the batter-runner advances

toward second base, PU moves toward third base for any play there on

the batter-runner.

U1: Observes base touch at first base. If the batter-runner advances

toward third base, Ul moves toward home plate and has any play there

on the batter-runner.

U3: Enters the infield and has all plays on the batter-runner at second base.

[mstaylor]

The check swing mechanic is fine but not really needed. The other two are excellent changes.

[zm1283]

Don't care for the check swing mechanic. Nothing was wrong with the old way.

#2 and #3 are pro mechanics and I like them.

[zm1283]

Almost forgot: With R1/R3, if U1 goes out does the PU then rotate to third like we do it now?

[UmpTTS43]

Almost forgot: With R1/R3, if U1 goes out does the PU then rotate to third like we do it now?

I believe the rotation stays the same as in 2 man. If U3 goes out, there is no way U1 can cover third.

[dumbdumb]

3. Like the new way better. Didn't know the old way------- I need to get out more.

2. Like this one, especially with 2 outs, so now you just do it the same anytime.although it could go either way IMHO.

1. IMHO there have probably been ongoing studies at the pro level or NCAA level that shows the wing man actually has a better shot of the check swing and gets a much higher percentage correct from the wing angle, even though looking through the batter (1B or left hander, 3B on right hander). I could not see them changing from the infield umpire for a slight percentage difference so there must be a major difference in the percentage called correctly. Of course this is a mute point in a two man. What is glaring sometimes is the amount of obvious check swings not called by the plate umpire as a way to deflect the heat to the base umpire on this call, hiding under the guise of having to stay with the pitch. Once the pitch is out of the zone, the bat is the only thing left to look at IMHO. Now you have to umpire and take the heat or no heat and if it gets to bad, handle business and not pass it off on the base guy.

[UmpTTS43]

What is glaring sometimes is the amount of obvious check swings not called by the plate umpire as a way to deflect the heat to the base umpire on this call, hiding under the guise of having to stay with the pitch. Once the pitch is out of the zone, the bat is the only thing left to look at IMHO. Now you have to umpire and take the heat or no heat and if it gets to bad, handle business and not pass it off on the base guy.

You have to stay with the pitch, that is your job. Ever see a slider or curve ball that started out of the zone and then bit into the zone. This is why check swing appeals are allowed. PU has a primary responsibility concerning the pitch, secondary responsibility on the swing. Granted, you want to get what you can, but it is not at the expense of the pitch.

[Fittske24]

What is glaring sometimes is the amount of obvious check swings not called by the plate umpire as a way to deflect the heat to the base umpire on this call,

I don't think it is a case of umpires "deflecting heat" . There are times when the plate umpire gets screened out by the catcher and the full view of the check swing gets blocked. Once the catcher or coach asks, you have to get help.

Once the pitch is out of the zone, the bat is the only thing left to look at IMHO. Now you have to umpire and take the heat or no heat and if it gets to bad, handle business and not pass it off on the base guy.

Taking your eyes off the pitch once it is "out of the zone" can lead to tunnel vision and other bad habits. You have to stay with the pitch all the way to its termination point....that may be the mitt, the bat, the batter or even you! Like UmpTTS43 said, the pitch is your first responsibility.

[AZump78]

Since all check swings are now going to the wingman, does that mean with R1 only I (as U3) can now set up on the 1st base side of the infield?

[UmpTTS43]

Since all check swings are now going to the wingman, does that mean with R1 only I (as U3) can now set up on the 1st base side of the infield?

Yes, in fact some conferences will require it.

[mstaylor]

Many conferences already do that.

[AZump78]

Cool-With the old mechanic it would seem that U3 would need to be on the 3rd base side on left-handed batters for that sole purpose.

[mazzamouth]

, does that mean with R1 only I (as U3) can now set up on the 1st base side of the infield?

This was one of the main changes in 2011 CCA U3 has the choice on a lefty.. in the years previous you could on be on the 3rd base side or a "Deep C"