Missed Base Appeals

[semper_fi_72]

I have had 3 missed base appeals in two of my last 4 games.

13U Travel Ball.

Batter hits one down the RF line.

Rounds 1st missing the bag.

Winds up with a triple.

F1 gets the ball.

Disengages and throws to F3 who stands on 1B and say Blue he missed 1B.

OUT!!!!!!

High School Summer Ball (Legion)

R1 Batter hits Home Run over Left Center fence.

As he crosses the plate he turns his body and misses the plate.

F1 and F2 set.

F1 steps off and F2 says Blue he missed the plate steps in front of plate, receives the ball from F1 and steps on the plate.

OUT!!!!!!!!

Same game, same Team.

R1

Ball hit in Left Center Gap.

Center Fielder makes a nice running catch.

R1 is passed 2B.

Heads back to 1B.

Fails to retouch 2B.

Appeal made properly.

OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can't remember when I even had the last one no less 3 in four days.

[NFUA_44]

The strange ones come in bunches sometimes. Last month I had Two Infield flies in back to back games, could go the better part of a season and give the sign 3,000 times and never have to call it.

[Cajuncubsfan]

Ok, I'm going to show my newness. What is the sign for not touching the plate. I point at the base and continue to watch the runner and wait for someone to ask for an appeal.

Ok, unload!!! I just have never asked and as a player I never even knew there was a sign for a missed base.

[Rich Ives]

Ok, I'm going to show my newness. What is the sign for not touching the plate. I point at the base and continue to watch the runner and wait for someone to ask for an appeal.

Ok, unload!!! I just have never asked and as a player I never even knew there was a sign for a missed base.

You do NOT give any indication to anyone that the runner missed a base (or the plate).

[NFUA_44]

Cajun;

It's up to the defense to note that a runner failed to touch a base or the plate, and then to make a proper appeal to the umpire. Our job is to make sure we see all the touches of the bases so that when a team makes an appeal we can rule on it accordingly. We aren't there to help one team gain an advantage over the other, they should be watching for it themselves. Just make a mental note to yourself when it happens and then rule accordingly when the time comes.

[mstaylor]

There is no sign to show a missed base. But also remember, don't point at a plate or base without a reason. Many newer guys will point at the plate as a runner crosses under the misguided assumption that they need to show the touch. In reality you don't show either, just watch the touches and let the defense figure it out. On the bases many guys point then call an out, even on routine outs. Pointing means something happened, fielder pulls and got back, a sweep tag or something else unusual. Ordinary means a routine call, unusual means a point.

A bonus question:

How many possible appeals can you have on a grandslam. Let the newer guys try first. Mazz, Stan, Rich and any other pro trained guys stay out initially.

[Cajuncubsfan]

Ok, to clarify my point. I don't make an obvious point. It more like pointing down and in the direction of the bag. The only time I point directly at the bag is if I have multiple runners (double play) or a close play and I point and say "He got under, Safe!!!" or "He got him, your out.... Ect. On close plays I delay and say my reason and make my call. I also vocalize close calls loudly to make it clear. This helps with having to explain my call to a coach. I had a close play at third Monday right infront of the defences dugout. I said "he got under, safe". The head coach wanted to say something but he already knew why I called him safe.

Back to the pointing, I only point if the ball comes out or it's close and the runner is out. I will stop my little point when they miss a base. No one told me to do that.

My Bonus answer: Only one, you can only make one appeal on a play. That's my answer, right or wrong

[txump81]

A bonus question:

How many possible appeals can you have on a grandslam. Let the newer guys try first. Mazz, Stan, Rich and any other pro trained guys stay out initially.

10. You can appeal each runner/BR missing each base. An appeal is not considered a play or attempted play.

[MPLSMatt]

However, I was taught (and I'm fairly certain I read) that you must only grant an appeal that you deem to be reasonable. IE - a team may not appeal every runner on every play in hopes of getting one somewhere. If there is a grand slam and a team says they want to appeal all runners at all bases (say a FED dead ball) situation, I'm not granting it.

[Stan W.]

Back to the pointing, I only point if the ball comes out or it's close and the runner is out. I will stop my little point when they miss a base. No one told me to do that.

This is my "Pointing" confession.............I have a habit of after the action has relaxed of pointing to the plate and indicating how many runs scored......Ive tried to break it and stop.....but heres the background.....when I started umpiring in the 80's my UIC was an old Milb umpire from the 40's........he insisted that we point to the plate and indicate how many runs scored for the scorekeeper in the press box......and woe be it to anyone who he caught not using "proper mechanics".....

Now forget the fact that we were working on fields that didnt have press boxes or official scorekeepers like they did back in the old class D Texarkana Prison League....its ingrained and I try and shake it....I've been dinged on evals for it.....and i sure dont teach it.....

But it rears its ugly head no and then.......dont do it.....( so says the "do as I say and not as I have done" instructor):hopmad:

[archangel]

Tough Q on the # of appeals.

I could say 17, assuming all 4 runners actually did miss all 4 bases, and the HR was denied due to illegal bat (or another example).

But I wont because if the officials denied the various missed base appeals up to #16 or the HR appeal, 1 of them had to of stopped the process before that point as frivolous,and its just not possible for 2 or 3 umpires to miss all the missed bases.

So, leaving the third world, and arriving back in mine, working with 1 partner, I'd say 5.....2 to my pard, and to me with a miss of 3rd and home, and the bat.....But even then, this is a Big HTBT....

[noumpere]

Ok, I'm going to show my newness. What is the sign for not touching the plate. I point at the base and continue to watch the runner and wait for someone to ask for an appeal.

Ok, unload!!! I just have never asked and as a player I never even knew there was a sign for a missed base.

You do NOT give any indication to anyone that the runner missed a base (or the plate).

Right and you also dont give any indication that they touched the plate or any other base unless of course theres a play and the runner is safe you signal that.

I dont know who indicated 17 appeals on a grand slam but that is just too funny. I dont know how the bases are run in his league but in all the games Ive worked the runner from third doesnt need to touch first second or third again on a grand slamor for that matter on any type of hit or award.

[Guest]

R3 missing home, R2 missing 3B and home, R1 missing 2B, 3B, and home, BR missing 1B, 2B, 3B, and home

You don't need university calculus (or maybe you do?) to say 10 potential missed base appeals. Either way, +1 to txump81

Assuming all appeals are executed properly.

The only time you are pointing to a base to indicate a runner touched it (which can actually be a flat out lie) is to the plate on a time play to indicate "that run scores, that run scores" (and then if you really wanna be fancy, wheel and point at the pressbox while ordering "score that run!"). The reason it is a blatant lie - you're ordering the run to score if the runner crossed, but not necessarily touched, the plate before the 3rd out of the inning; if he didn't touch the plate, he can still be called out on appeal and the run be taken off the board (boy, wouldn't that make for a pissed off scorer!)

[fullcount13]

Keep in mind I am very new to the umpiring profession, but what would be the point of allowing anymore than 3 appeals at the most on a grandslam? If there was no outs, this would end the at bat for this team and the other appeals would be pointless wouldn't they? Unless there's some secret rule I've overlooked where you can carry outs over to the next inning

[wek29]

Keep in mind I am very new to the umpiring profession, but what would be the point of allowing anymore than 3 appeals at the most on a grandslam? If there was no outs, this would end the at bat for this team and the other appeals would be pointless wouldn't they? Unless there's some secret rule I've overlooked where you can carry outs over to the next inning

I'm going to guess if an appeal was made and the it's not upheld?

[Guest]

There is no requirement for the defense to record an out for an appeal to be officially classified as an appeal.

An appeal is the act of a fielder claiming violation of the rules by the offensive team.

It is up to us as umpires to render the verdict of whether or not there was actually a violation.

[UmpTTS43]

A bonus question:

How many possible appeals can you have on a grandslam. Let the newer guys try first. Mazz, Stan, Rich and any other pro trained guys stay out initially.

R3 missing home, R2 missing 3B and home, R1 missing 2B, 3B, and home, BR missing 1B, 2B, 3B, and home

You don't need university calculus (or maybe you do?) to say 10 potential missed base appeals. Either way, +1 to txump81

Incorrect answer.

[archangel]

R3 missing home, R2 missing 3B and home, R1 missing 2B, 3B, and home, BR missing 1B, 2B, 3B, and home

You don't need university calculus (or maybe you do?) to say 10 potential missed base appeals. Either way, +1 to txump81

Assuming all appeals are executed properly.

Well, me saying 17 really looks stupid to all now. Duh...3 runners already on base then grandslam

I opened my mouth revealing ignorance, so I'll just stay quiet on this, waiting.......

[Rich Ives]

A bonus question:

How many possible appeals can you have on a grandslam. Let the newer guys try first. Mazz, Stan, Rich and any other pro trained guys stay out initially.

R3 missing home, R2 missing 3B and home, R1 missing 2B, 3B, and home, BR missing 1B, 2B, 3B, and home

You don't need university calculus (or maybe you do?) to say 10 potential missed base appeals. Either way, +1 to txump81

Incorrect answer.

Are you saying 10 is incorrect?

What do you think is the correct answer and why?

[Mr Umpire]

There is no sign to show a missed base. But also remember, don't point at a plate or base without a reason. Many newer guys will point at the plate as a runner crosses under the misguided assumption that they need to show the touch. In reality you don't show either, just watch the touches and let the defense figure it out. On the bases many guys point then call an out, even on routine outs. Pointing means something happened, fielder pulls and got back, a sweep tag or something else unusual. Ordinary means a routine call, unusual means a point.

A bonus question:

How many possible appeals can you have on a grandslam. Let the newer guys try first. Mazz, Stan, Rich and any other pro trained guys stay out initially.

I'm gonna guess 4 is the max.

Reasoning: There is only need for 3 outs to end the inning. Then, if there is a 4th advantageous out to be obtained, then it is used.

Such as R3 touches HP but R2 and R1 miss it. BR misses 1B and 2B. Defense appeals R2 and R1 and BR at 2B. 3 outs but they appeal BR missing 1B as well. 4 outs with only 3 counting.

And, I will clarify I am not pro trained so I may be wrong. And, I have never been to an umpire clinic. I pay attention and use everything I have learned on these forums and in the field to get better. My training has come from here and experience alone.

[Rich Ives]

I'm gonna guess 4 is the max.

Reasoning: There is only need for 3 outs to end the inning. Then, if there is a 4th advantageous out to be obtained, then it is used.

Such as R3 touches HP but R2 and R1 miss it. BR misses 1B and 2B. Defense appeals R2 and R1 and BR at 2B. 3 outs but they appeal BR missing 1B as well. 4 outs with only 3 counting.

And, I will clarify I am not pro trained so I may be wrong. And, I have never been to an umpire clinic. I pay attention and use everything I have learned on these forums and in the field to get better. My training has come from here and experience alone.

Just because you appeal doesn't mean it's upheld. They could all be denied (runner ruled to have touched). So you can appeal each runner at each base he passes at the most (maximum).

R3 appealed at home: 1 base - 1 total

R2 appealed at 3B and home: 2 bases - 3 total

R1 appealed ar 2B, 3B, and home: 3 - 6

BR appealed at 1B, 2B, 3B, home: 4 - 10

[Mr Umpire]

I'm gonna guess 4 is the max.

Reasoning: There is only need for 3 outs to end the inning. Then, if there is a 4th advantageous out to be obtained, then it is used.

Such as R3 touches HP but R2 and R1 miss it. BR misses 1B and 2B. Defense appeals R2 and R1 and BR at 2B. 3 outs but they appeal BR missing 1B as well. 4 outs with only 3 counting.

And, I will clarify I am not pro trained so I may be wrong. And, I have never been to an umpire clinic. I pay attention and use everything I have learned on these forums and in the field to get better. My training has come from here and experience alone.

Just because you appeal doesn't mean it's upheld. They could all be denied (runner ruled to have touched). So you can appeal each runner at each base he passes at the most (maximum).

R3 appealed at home: 1 base - 1 total

R2 appealed at 3B and home: 2 bases - 3 total

R1 appealed ar 2B, 3B, and home: 3 - 6

BR appealed at 1B, 2B, 3B, home: 4 - 10

Well, let's put it this way. Only 4 successful appeals are possible.

[UmpTTS43]

A bonus question:

How many possible appeals can you have on a grandslam. Let the newer guys try first. Mazz, Stan, Rich and any other pro trained guys stay out initially.

R3 missing home, R2 missing 3B and home, R1 missing 2B, 3B, and home, BR missing 1B, 2B, 3B, and home

You don't need university calculus (or maybe you do?) to say 10 potential missed base appeals. Either way, +1 to txump81

Incorrect answer.

Are you saying 10 is incorrect?

What do you think is the correct answer and why?

Per ms's request, I will post my answer after others have had an opportunity to ponder the question.

[Mr Umpire]

Is this a trick question?

[Rich Ives]

R3 missing home, R2 missing 3B and home, R1 missing 2B, 3B, and home, BR missing 1B, 2B, 3B, and home

You don't need university calculus (or maybe you do?) to say 10 potential missed base appeals. Either way, +1 to txump81

Incorrect answer.

Are you saying 10 is incorrect?

What do you think is the correct answer and why?

Per ms's request, I will post my answer after others have had an opportunity to ponder the question.

We've had the opportunity - it's time for you to step to the plate.

Remember the subject: "Missed Base Appeals"

Remember the question: "How many appeals are possible on a grand slam"